[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs
Bryan Berry
bryan at olenepal.org
Wed Mar 18 22:49:43 EDT 2009
I have spent time playing w/ opencroquet but not seaside. They are both
great projects but are very academically focused (sorry bertf!) and have
tiny communities.
I think a GSoC project focusing on creating an AJAX sugar app is a great
way to go forward. Getting it to work w/ a popular IDE is a separate and
less important probelm.
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 17:14 +0000, Frederick Grose wrote:
> How about something in Croquet,
> http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or Seaside,
> http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the
> web, say Honeycomb?
>
> I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those hoods.
> --Fred
>
>
> 2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
> I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about
> development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about
> desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator Titanium,
> Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and
> Curl). I think it would be a great project to take Titanium or
> Prism and make a generic sugar-like hello-world which used
> Javascript to save to the journal, set some tags, open a file,
> coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar. Whether you
> worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate
> issue.
>
> Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the
> products mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong.
>
> Jameson
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry
> <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> They don't compare currently but they are developing
> rapidly,
> particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great
> thing about aptana
> is that there is for-profit company behind it that
> seems to do a good
> job of sponsoring open-source development.
>
> Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for
> js+html5 for all
> apps place of flash.
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
> > > Felipe,
> > >
> > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true
> > >
> > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years
> behind macromedia flash.
> > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3
> to Gnash.
> > >
> > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into
> Sugar would be the best
> > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate
> activities created with
> > > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
> > >
> > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for
> integrating flash
> > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript +
> html5 is a much better
> > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief
> in open-source and
> > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more
> javascript developers out
> > > there than flash developers. This new rework of
> Karma could take
> > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new
> javascript animation
> > > libraries like processing.js and GX.
> >
> > That looks very interesting, but what about
> authoring tools for
> > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash
> authoring tools?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of
> OLE Nepal's existing
> > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can
> find some here:
> > >
> http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
> > >
> > > If you are interested in such a project, I am
> definitely be interested
> > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I
> am professionally a
> > > project manager and not a software engineer. In
> fact my software
> > > development skills are extremely limited beyond
> writing broken python
> > > scripts.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn
> wrote:
> > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates
> issues when
> > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include
> it pre-installed in
> > >> images for download).
> > >>
> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail)
> has some good ideas
> > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not
> signed up as a
> > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and
> then discuss it with
> > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo
> <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> I'm interested:
> > >> SWF Sugar
> > >> * Integrate SWF
> (Flash/Gnash)
> > >> applications into
> Sugar.
> > >> * Ideally, develop
> a demo activity which
> > >> could be used as
> a template for
> > >> sugarizing
> Flash/Gnash activities.
> > >> * Priority for
> Sugar: Very High ("never
> > >> bet against the
> browser")
> > >> * Difficulty (as a
> GSoC project): hard
> > >> * Skills needed:
> SWF/Python integration
> > >>
> > >> why Gnash?, there is already a stable
> version of adobe player
> > >> for linux.
> > >>
> > >> really have very good ideas. Interesting!
> > >>
> > >> Greetings.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson
> Quinn
> > >> <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
> > >>
> > >> Good hunting :)
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM,
> Felipe López Toledo
> > >> <zer.subzero at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi.
> > >>
> > >> I'm Felipe López Toledo,
> a university student
> > >> I read your message
> > >>
> (http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en)
> > >> I visited
> > >>
> http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
> > >>
> > >> relly good work!.
> > >>
> > >> it would be nice to see
> you in the GSoC 2009.
> > >> by the way, do you have a
> project list?
> > >>
> > >> thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Felipe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
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> --
>
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>
>
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Bryan W. Berry
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