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[Frederick Grose]

How about something in Croquet,
http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Main_Page, or  Seaside,
http://www.seaside.st/, that would create a Sugar environment for the web,
say Honeycomb?

I, too, need to spend more time under those hoods or in those
hoods.          --Fred


2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>

> I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs
> like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator
> Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I
> think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a
> generic sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save to the journal,
> set some tags, open a file, coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar.
> Whether you worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate
> issue.
>
> Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the products
> mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong.
>
> Jameson
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
>
>> They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly,
>> particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana
>> is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good
>> job of sponsoring open-source development.
>>
>> Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all
>> apps place of flash.
>>
>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
>> > > Felipe,
>> > >
>> > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true
>> > >
>> > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash.
>> > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash.
>> > >
>> > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the
>> best
>> > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created
>> with
>> > > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
>> > >
>> > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash
>> > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much
>> better
>> > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and
>> > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more javascript developers
>> out
>> > > there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take
>> > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation
>> > > libraries like processing.js and GX.
>> >
>> > That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for
>> > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Tomeu
>> >
>> > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's existing
>> > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here:
>> > >
>> http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
>> > >
>> > > If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be interested
>> > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally a
>> > > project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software
>> > > development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python
>> > > scripts.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Bryan W. Berry
>> > > Technology Director
>> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
>> > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when
>> > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in
>> > >> images for download).
>> > >>
>> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas
>> > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a
>> > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with
>> > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
>> > >>
>> > >> Jameson
>> > >>
>> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
>> > >>         Thanks.
>> > >>
>> > >>         I'm interested:
>> > >>                         SWF Sugar
>> > >>                               * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash)
>> > >>                                 applications into Sugar.
>> > >>                               * Ideally, develop a demo activity
>> which
>> > >>                                 could be used as a template for
>> > >>                                 sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities.
>> > >>                               * Priority for Sugar: Very High ("never
>> > >>                                 bet against the browser")
>> > >>                               * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard
>> > >>                               * Skills needed: SWF/Python integration
>> > >>
>> > >>         why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe player
>> > >>         for linux.
>> > >>
>> > >>         really have very good ideas. Interesting!
>> > >>
>> > >>         Greetings.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>         On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn
>> > >>         <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>                 http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
>> > >>
>> > >>                 Good hunting :)
>> > >>
>> > >>                 Jameson
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>                 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo
>> > >>                 <zer.subzero at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>                         Hi.
>> > >>
>> > >>                         I'm Felipe López Toledo, a university student
>> > >>                         I read your message
>> > >>                         (
>> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en
>> )
>> > >>                         I visited
>> > >>
>> http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
>> > >>
>> > >>                         relly good work!.
>> > >>
>> > >>                         it would be nice to see you in the GSoC 2009.
>> > >>                         by the way, do you have a project list?
>> > >>
>> > >>                         thanks.
>> > >>
>> > >>                         Felipe
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > > --
>> > > Bryan W. Berry
>> > > Technology Director
>> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>> > >
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>> --
>> Bryan W. Berry
>> Technology Director
>> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>>
>>
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