[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 16:45, Sebastian Dziallas<sebastian at when.com> wrote:
> Sean DALY wrote:
>> Yes Gary by all means, the deadline is this weekend
>>
>> Sebastian, earlier in the thread we discussed how part of keeping a
>> clean-looking boot involves getting more information (logos) on the
>> About My Computer page, is that difficult to do?
>>
>> Sean
>
> I don't think that it would be that difficult, but it seems like this
> would need to be done in Sugar itself, not SoaS (which is also, why I'm
> not really sure how to realize it). Maybe one of the Sugar devs has an
> idea...

Maybe you could patch the source code in the kickstart file?

Would be somewhere in /usr/share/sugar/extensions/

Regards,

Tomeu

> --Sebastian
>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 14:37, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> looking at the wiki page, I'm really impressed - great work! :)
>>>>
>>>> I also really like the idea of switching the logo color for each release -
>>>> this shouldn't be hard and is an interesting approach.
>>>>
>>>> Has there already been some kind of agreement on which version we're going
>>>> to use for the LinuxTag release?
>>> Yes I was wondering this also, given the weekend was the deadline :-)
>>>
>>>> Is the one with the progress bar something everyone could agree with?
>>> FWIW, my two current favourites are the grey progress bar, or  the grey
>>> circle of dots:
>>>
>>>
>>>   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif
>>>
>>>   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Refined-XO-sugar-boot-with-overlap.gif
>>>
>>>> And could I possibly get the .png files, so that I can compose a new
>>>> snapshot with a preview of the new boot screen (we can still change it
>>>> afterwards, but I'd like to have some snapshot to test it)?
>>> I don't want to short circuit a decision making process, but let me kick out
>>> their PNGs and email to you (will do that now). That way you at least have a
>>> couple of the possible candidates to experiment/test with now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Gary
>>>
>>>> Walter: Have you heard anything regarding the use of the XO in our boot
>>>> screen? Is this okay with OLPC?
>>>>
>>>> --Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>> Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail
>>>>> the other day about communicating the version :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the
>>>>> twelve variants.
>>>>>
>>>>> To make that work, the actual place where the version number is
>>>>> communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have
>>>>> the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like this progress bar boot screen because:
>>>>>
>>>>> * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG
>>>>> * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion
>>>>> with graphic elements.
>>>>> * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for
>>>>> Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just "the system" running
>>>>> on XOs, netbooks, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I miss the iconic ring treatment though.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to
>>>>> address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a
>>>>> logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro
>>>>> co-branding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the "About my
>>>>> computer" page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners
>>>>> would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I
>>>>> direct your attention to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes that would be very helpful I think
>>>>>>> I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated
>>>>>>> version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation.
>>>>>> Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar
>>>>>> treatment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping
>>>>>> through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a
>>>>>> boot
>>>>>> anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I think a big ask at this point in time).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> not random :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames
>>>>>>>> over the weekend we will meet the deadline
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have
>>>>>>>> is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc)
>>>>>>> Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save
>>>>>>> for web" away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
>>>>>>>> <christianmarc at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I agree with Eben's points below...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is
>>>>>>>>> describing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason<eben.eliason at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason<eben.eliason at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
>>>>>>>>>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> (travelling today)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the
>>>>>>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>>>>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
>>>>>>>>>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or
>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Sugar spash page
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
>>>>>>>>>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
>>>>>>>>>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that
>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> UI.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads
>>>>>>>>>>> powerfully, and
>>>>>>>>>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could
>>>>>>>>>>> entertain
>>>>>>>>>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
>>>>>>>>>>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
>>>>>>>>>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
>>>>>>>>>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot
>>>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>>>> find that info.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners
>>>>>>>>>>>> might not
>>>>>>>>>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
>>>>>>>>>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about
>>>>>>>>>>>> versioning). We
>>>>>>>>>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running
>>>>>>>>>>>> v0..84
>>>>>>>>>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope) sow
>>>>>>>>>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
>>>>>>>>>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year...
>>>>>>>>>>>> aside
>>>>>>>>>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
>>>>>>>>>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press
>>>>>>>>>>>> releases);
>>>>>>>>>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
>>>>>>>>>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each
>>>>>>>>>>>> Activity)
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a key aspect of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time
>>>>>>>>>>>> (especially a
>>>>>>>>>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
>>>>>>>>>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left.
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
>>>>>>>>>>> directly to the correct settings panel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings,
>>>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own
>>>>>>>>>>> modal
>>>>>>>>>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be fine with either approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen;
>>>>>>>>>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX
>>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>>>>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The
>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> has room I think.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> want to carry with you all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
>>>>>>>>>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good
>>>>>>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>>>>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo
>>>>>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
>>>>>>>>>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually
>>>>>>>>>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome
>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
>>>>>>>>>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
>>>>>>>>>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
>>>>>>>>>>> releases (2 per year, on average).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
>>>>>>>>>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but
>>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring
>>>>>>>>>>> the XO
>>>>>>>>>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
>>>>>>>>>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
>>>>>>>>>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar
>>>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't
>>>>>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>>>>>> fit within that concept.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go
>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
>>>>>>>>>>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Eben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose<fgrose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing ring.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orange to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> home--a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Will I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose<fgrose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like that a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'About my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nervous about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me? Will I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gray
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grose<fgrose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burst.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Thank you!        --Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "growing"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
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