[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

[David Farning]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, David Van Assche<dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a good point, and I understand the thinking behind it, as if you are
> not 'changing' anything in an existing setup, people are less afraid that
> things might go terribly wrong. That's the reason we have ltsp on a usb
> stick... because you can stick in a server, and test it without installing
> anything. Think of it as SoaS server with beaurocratic advantages included
> (taking care of networking, providing Sugar images, setting up user
> accounts, providng collaboration if necessary. It is by no means the XS
> server, nor should it try to be that, its just the desktop environment part
> with ejabberd, if needed.. of course, it only works in wired environments.

Very cool.  I had not heard of LTSP on a usb stick before.  It sound
like another great, low impact  (I am trying to think of a term like
'carbon foot print' to properly reflect the impact) way of bringing
LTSP into the class room.

david

> kind Regards,
> David (nubae) Van Assche
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Van Assche<dvanassche at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We
>> > have created a kiwi-ltsp usb stick for openSUSE, which gives a portable
>> > ltsp
>> > server wherever u plug it in. In most cases it would make sense for this
>> > to
>> > be the most powerful computer. It is as easy as installing the sugar and
>> > sugar activities meta packages on this usb image and the users on the
>> > ltsp
>> > network then have access to Sugar from any computer in the network, and
>> > they
>> > are bound to load faster than from a usb image. The advantage is u need
>> > one
>> > usb stick per network, as opposed to one for each terminal... that saves
>> > costs, and time. Also, u dont need any of the old hardware, such as
>> > cdrom
>> > drives, hard drives, etc. Networking and internet is also no issue as if
>> > it
>> > works on the server, it has to work on each of the terminals too...
>>
>> SoaS is also working on a slightly different issue.
>>
>> I didn't understand it until Caroline explained it for about the 100th
>> time yesterday:)
>>
>> In addition to all the technical hurdles.  Sugar on a Stick is
>> tackling the _bureaucratic_ issue of installing and running Sugar (or
>> any software) on systems which one doesn't have admin access.
>>
>> In many schools it can be difficult to get the authority to install
>> software or modify the configuration on their computers.  SoaS
>> circumvents that problem by replacing  'install a new OS' with 'insert
>> the stick and turn it on.'
>>
>> The piece that I was _misunderstanding_ was that all of the
>> technically hurdles that SoaS introduces are worth the ability to
>> circumvent the bureaucratic hurdles.
>>
>> FWIW, at least in developed nations.... Once you get the bureaucratic
>> permission to 'install' Sugar, a client-server configuration is most
>> palatable to the existing generation of elementary school sysadmins.
>>
>> david
>>
>> > kind Regards,
>> > David (nubae) Van Assche
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks
>> >> <caroline at solutiongrove.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new
>> >>> volunteers?
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO has been restored
>> >> and
>> >> is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need.
>> >>
>> >>          --Fred
>> >>
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