[IAEP] [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

Sean DALY sdaly.be at gmail.com
Sun Jun 7 10:18:51 EDT 2009

Yes Gary by all means, the deadline is this weekend

Sebastian, earlier in the thread we discussed how part of keeping a
clean-looking boot involves getting more information (logos) on the
About My Computer page, is that difficult to do?


On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com> wrote:
> Hi Sebastian,
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 14:37, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> looking at the wiki page, I'm really impressed - great work! :)
>> I also really like the idea of switching the logo color for each release -
>> this shouldn't be hard and is an interesting approach.
>> Has there already been some kind of agreement on which version we're going
>> to use for the LinuxTag release?
> Yes I was wondering this also, given the weekend was the deadline :-)
>> Is the one with the progress bar something everyone could agree with?
> FWIW, my two current favourites are the grey progress bar, or  the grey
> circle of dots:
>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif
>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Refined-XO-sugar-boot-with-overlap.gif
>> And could I possibly get the .png files, so that I can compose a new
>> snapshot with a preview of the new boot screen (we can still change it
>> afterwards, but I'd like to have some snapshot to test it)?
> I don't want to short circuit a decision making process, but let me kick out
> their PNGs and email to you (will do that now). That way you at least have a
> couple of the possible candidates to experiment/test with now.
> Regards,
> --Gary
>> Walter: Have you heard anything regarding the use of the XO in our boot
>> screen? Is this okay with OLPC?
>> --Sebastian
>> Sean DALY wrote:
>>> Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail
>>> the other day about communicating the version :-)
>>> I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the
>>> twelve variants.
>>> To make that work, the actual place where the version number is
>>> communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have
>>> the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo.
>>> I like this progress bar boot screen because:
>>> * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG
>>> * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion
>>> with graphic elements.
>>> * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for
>>> Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just "the system" running
>>> on XOs, netbooks, etc.
>>> I miss the iconic ring treatment though.
>>> And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to
>>> address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a
>>> logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro
>>> co-branding.
>>> Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the "About my
>>> computer" page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners
>>> would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional.
>>> For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I
>>> direct your attention to:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k
>>> Sean
>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Martin<gary at garycmartin.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote:
>>>>>> Yes that would be very helpful I think
>>>>> I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated
>>>>> version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation.
>>>> Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar
>>>> treatment:
>>>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif
>>>> FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo
>>>> for
>>>> each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping
>>>> through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a
>>>> boot
>>>> anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea
>>>> but
>>>> I think a big ask at this point in time).
>>>> FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were
>>>> based
>>>> on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely
>>>> not
>>>> not random :-)
>>>> Regards,
>>>> --Gary
>>>>>> If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames
>>>>>> over the weekend we will meet the deadline
>>>>>> but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have
>>>>>> is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc)
>>>>> Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save
>>>>> for web" away.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> --Gary
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt
>>>>>> <christianmarc at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>> I agree with Eben's points below...
>>>>>>> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is
>>>>>>> describing?
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason<eben.eliason at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason<eben.eliason at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo
>>>>>>>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too
>>>>>>>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is
>>>>>>>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?)
>>>>>>>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can
>>>>>>>>>> (travelling today)
>>>>>>>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the
>>>>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to
>>>>>>>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> the Sugar spash page
>>>>>>>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with
>>>>>>>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same
>>>>>>>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that
>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> UI.
>>>>>>>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads
>>>>>>>>> powerfully, and
>>>>>>>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could
>>>>>>>>> entertain
>>>>>>>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the
>>>>>>>>> sugar logo. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version
>>>>>>>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers,
>>>>>>>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI.
>>>>>>>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot
>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>> find that info.
>>>>>>>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners
>>>>>>>>>> might not
>>>>>>>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad
>>>>>>>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about
>>>>>>>>>> versioning). We
>>>>>>>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running
>>>>>>>>>> v0..84
>>>>>>>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many
>>>>>>>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we
>>>>>>>>>> hope) sow
>>>>>>>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education
>>>>>>>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year...
>>>>>>>>>> aside
>>>>>>>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in
>>>>>>>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for
>>>>>>>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press
>>>>>>>>>> releases);
>>>>>>>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of
>>>>>>>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping
>>>>>>>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each
>>>>>>>>>> Activity)
>>>>>>>>>> is a key aspect of that.
>>>>>>>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time
>>>>>>>>>> (especially a
>>>>>>>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from
>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the
>>>>>>>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps
>>>>>>>>> directly to the correct settings panel.
>>>>>>>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings,
>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own
>>>>>>>>> modal
>>>>>>>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item.
>>>>>>>>> I would be fine with either approach.
>>>>>>>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the
>>>>>>>>>> screen;
>>>>>>>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX
>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the
>>>>>>>>>> Control
>>>>>>>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The
>>>>>>>>>> bottom bar
>>>>>>>>>> has room I think.
>>>>>>>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> want to carry with you all the time.
>>>>>>>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if
>>>>>>>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity
>>>>>>>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the
>>>>>>>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good
>>>>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen.
>>>>>>>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo
>>>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number.
>>>>>>>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but
>>>>>>>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually
>>>>>>>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome
>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>> Eben
>>>>>>>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support
>>>>>>>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping
>>>>>>>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major
>>>>>>>>> releases (2 per year, on average).
>>>>>>>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are
>>>>>>>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but
>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring
>>>>>>>>> the XO
>>>>>>>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be
>>>>>>>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to
>>>>>>>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar
>>>>>>>>> logo
>>>>>>>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't
>>>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>>>> fit within that concept.
>>>>>>>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go
>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but
>>>>>>>>> simple and clean and matches the UI.
>>>>>>>>> Eben
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose<fgrose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise'
>>>>>>>>>>> metaphor for
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> growing ring.
>>>>>>>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise
>>>>>>>>>>> orange to
>>>>>>>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets
>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> the darker one last).  These are just common earth metaphors
>>>>>>>>>>> that might
>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day
>>>>>>>>>>> ahead of
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a
>>>>>>>>>>> home--a
>>>>>>>>>>> safe
>>>>>>>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities.
>>>>>>>>>>> "Will I
>>>>>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?"
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose<fgrose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like that a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'About my
>>>>>>>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me
>>>>>>>>>>>> nervous about
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic
>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines'
>>>>>>>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for
>>>>>>>>>>>> me? Will I
>>>>>>>>>>>> grow too as suggested?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic,  pausing, usually a
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the name
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me)         Do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>> gray
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix?
>>>>>>>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>>>>> view.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone!       --Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grose<fgrose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mostly like it.  Seems to be close to what we want for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holders).  I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burst.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Thank you!        --Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY<sdaly.be at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "growing"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
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