[IAEP] segregated activities from the sugar platform

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 14:42, Walter Bender<walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 06:29, David Van Assche<dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>   This may seem like a bit of a premature email, but it comes in
>>> reference to questions I was asked at the guadalinex offices about
>>> adding Sugar to their distribution. They mentioned there is a lot of
>>> freedom as to what content and activitities/applications can be put
>>> into the distro, but not so much freedom when it comes to marketing,
>>> naming, base foundations, etc. Thats a shame because the name
>>> guadalinex really sucks :p
>>
>> I actually like the name quite a bit ;)
>>
>>> but its great because they are genuinenly
>>> interested in running sugar activities in guadalinex.
>>
>> That's great, but I'm not 100% sure that will benefit Sugar itself.
>> But happy to give it a try.
>>
>>> I explained that
>>> with the move to metacity this would be a possibility in the not too
>>> distant future (I hope I did not speak out of tone.)
>>
>> Well, with the metacity move, activities that behave badly in terms of
>> window sizing will be exposed and we'll be able to fix them. But I
>> don't think that's one of the biggest issues when running Sugar
>> activities out of Sugar.
>>
>> What we need right now is someone to give it a try with a very simple
>> activity and report back. Then we can identify the first wave of
>> issues and start working on that.
>
> I had set up Turtle Art to be able to run outside of Sugar. It has a
> .desktop file and should install under the Applications/Education menu
> on the desktop. Or run it from the shell from turlteart.py.
>
> It has its problems: no access to the toolbar and no access to the
> journal or sharing. But it runs.

We have quite a bit of work until we can get it to work, but it's
doable to have everything working out of the Sugar shell.

Regards,

Tomeu

>>> There is also the
>>> very strong likeleyhood that they would use LTSP and iTalc as a method
>>> of distribution and control. The team I saw was MUCH bigger than I
>>> expected (a good 300 people working behind computers) and the
>>> interview process was highly formal, modern and professional. It even
>>> included a type of psych evaluation, although many of the questions
>>> were related to my experience in the field (logical) and what kind of
>>> tech we should be iImplementing today, so that in 5 years time we
>>> would be in the right playing field. They asked where I saw the distro
>>> and linux for education being in 5 years, which is an amazingly
>>> difficult question to answer. In fact, I'd love to hear some of your
>>> thoughts on that one...
>>
>> This is interesting, but would benefit from having it's own thread.
>>
>>> They also wondered how it was possible that I
>>> would take such a job for so little money, so I guess its not totally
>>> obvious to many people that tech in education is actually a lot of fun
>>> and worth being paid less for, than doing some boring sysadmin job
>>> that really does nothing more than fill the pockets of the company
>>> being worked for. Anyway, I really hope I get a positive answer soon,
>>> and when I do, the job they want me to take there is a kind of linux
>>> ambassador... that is to say, someone who connects up with the
>>> necesary folk and finds out whats happening and whats worth
>>> implementing in the land of education and linux...
>>
>> That's awesome, I bet is hard to convince politicians to fund 300
>> engineers and at the same time play the upstream/downstream game.
>> Related interview:
>>
>> http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/72/working-with-upstream-an-interview-with-laszlo-peter
>>
>>> One thing is
>>> relatively sure... Sugar will be running on these roughly 1 million
>>> computers in one form or another.,.,., So the playing field just got a
>>> whole lot bigger... in fact, it would mean the xo would suddenly be a
>>> minority... lol For general information, though this is not very
>>> known, in sheer numbers, they are the biggest edu linux initiative in
>>> the world, and have been around for 6 years now. They seem to have
>>> bypassed many hurdles other such initiatives had and they say their
>>> schools are generally very happy. But, like all projects, they lack
>>> content...
>>
>> We need to help these projects get into contact with each other and
>> pool resources.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Tomeu
>>
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>> David (nubae) Van Assche
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