[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] web-based activities (was Re: How to Make Activity Designers Happy , Parts I and II)
Wade Brainerd
wadetb at gmail.com
Fri Jan 2 15:00:08 EST 2009
I'm not sure about Gears, but I have worked with the Flash persistence stuff
before - you're right, it's quite convenient. It would be great to build
support for finding the storage file and copying it to/from the Journal.
It could even be done automatically by the WebActivity class (or else a
separate FlashActivity class if we want to avoid loading Firefox) class,
making it transparent to the Flash programmer.
-Wade
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> this is neat Wade.
>
> It is a little more heavy weight for some activities. both google gears,
> flash, and the flash framework flex have some nice lightweight
> persistence functionality.
>
> On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 14:32 -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote:
> > The work we did for WikiBrowse (the WikipediaES and WikipediaEN)
> > activities would make a good starting point.
> >
> > First of all the Browse code should be integrated into Sugar. This
> > has been discussed before, and makes sense since you guys are
> > maintaining the Browse activity anyway.
> >
> > The Browse code would be provided as a base
> > sugar.activity.webactivity.WebActivity class. Currently, "web-based"
> > activities (not content bundles) need to manually find the path to the
> > Browse installation (assuming there is one!) and import its modules
> > which feels rather hacky.
> >
> > The sugar.activity.webactivity module should also provide a WebServer
> > class. This class is a SimpleHTTPServer derivative which supports
> > iterating and finding and returning an unused local port to serve
> > over. The server would handle GET/POST requests to a special
> > '/journal/' URL prefix, allowing DHTML scripts access to the
> > activity's Journal entry.
> >
> > Finally, a web-activity launcher script should be created. This
> > script launches the Sugar Browse code and supports a variety of
> > command line options to control what parts of the Browse UI are
> > enabled, and to set the home page. It should be possible to launch a
> > Browse instance with nothing but the Activity toolbar for example.
> >
> > These steps will allow for three (or more!) different variations on
> > "web-based" activities:
> >
> > 1) Static HTML and/or DHTML ala the existing .xol system. A
> > collection of .html, css and .js files can be bundled as a .xo file.
> > The included activity.info exec line calls web-activity with
> > appropriate command line options.
> >
> > The advantage of this approach over .xol files is that the "web-based
> > activity" appears as a first class object in the Sugar UI with an
> > independent icon on the Home view. Further, since the
> > sugar.activity.webactivity.WebServer is used, DHTML code can
> > read/write from the activity's Journal entry.
> >
> > 2) Static HTML and/or DHTML with custom UI. In WikiBrowse, I
> > subclassed WebActivity and added a new Search toolbar, which searches
> > the wiki DB and retrieves a page of results. This is the same as
> > variation 1, except instead of calling "web-activity", a new Python
> > activity class is derived from sugar.activity.webactivity.WebActivity
> > and modifies the UI in some way - adding toolbars, etc.
> >
> > 3) Static HTML and/or DHTML with custom server. In WikiBrowse, a
> > custom webserver attaches to a local port and serves wiki pages. It
> > decompresses and formats wiki pages before serving them up as XHTML.
> > So in this variation, a simple Python WebServer class is derived from
> > sugar.activity.webactivity.WebServer and the appropriate page request
> > handing methods are added. The base WebServer class additionally
> > handles GET/POST request to access the Journal entry for the activity.
> >
> > Doing this work would allow us to rewrite WikiBrowse in a much cleaner
> > fashion, and would allow a whole range of first class Web-based Sugar
> > activities.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Wade
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > without needing to get into what is better for our
> > deployments, I do
> > see value in making easier to make Sugar activities using
> > technologies
> > such as HTML, CSS, etc
> >
> > Bryan, can we get into a more detailed view on what it would
> > take
> > ideally to create a new activity using such activities? Which
> > would be
> > the steps that an experienced web designer would need to take
> > in order
> > to create a Sugar activity?
> >
> > I'm sure that someone with basic knowledge of python could
> > create some
> > tools that make it much more easier than it is today. Also
> > have some
> > ideas about how those activities could interact with the
> > journal and
> > other Sugar features.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 02:50, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org>
> > wrote:
> > > This is a draft of a multi-part article I plan to post to
> > OLPC News.
> > >
> > > It is very long but I would very much appreciate your
> > opinions and
> > > feedback. Your input will make it a better article once
> > published.
> > >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > This OLPC project seems to be going pretty well as of late
> > December
> > > 2008. G1G1 v2 is well underway, there are a number of
> > successful pilots
> > > going on, and a number of larger-scale pilots will come
> > online this
> > > spring and coming summer.
> > >
> > > Still, there is a big gaping whole in the middle of our
> > little education
> > > project. There just aren't enough activities. Mind you, we
> > have some
> > > seriously awesome activities such as Etoys, Scratch, TamTam,
> > and others.
> > > We have tremendous depth but very limited breadth.
> > >
> > > By breadth, I mean interactive activities for language,
> > history,
> > > geology, health, etc. In order to expand the range of
> > activities, we
> > > need to recruit a lot more activity developers and make it
> > dead-simple
> > > for them to contribute.
> > >
> > > <strong>But Which Developers?</strong>
> > >
> > > Let's think about who we want to recruit. We're talking
> > about breadth
> > > here so we need experts on Nepali grammar, Pashto
> > vocabulary, Philippine
> > > history, and Andean geography. The good news is that there
> > are
> > > technically-oriented people out there that know these things
> > and want to
> > > help.
> > >
> > > We already have a hardcore team of dedicated hackers. We
> > need them for
> > > the work that hackers excel at: building infrastructure,
> > testing the
> > > limits of new systems. But now we need a different class of
> > developer,
> > > those that are focused on the presentation, game play and
> > not system
> > > internals.
> > >
> > > Based on these characteristics, let's call these people
> > > <u>designers</u>. The good news is that there are lots of
> > > designers-particularly in developing countries-that want to
> > contribute
> > > to OLPC. The bad news is that they don't know python. or GTK
> > +. They may
> > > not even be familiar with linux. They do know HTML, CSS,
> > Javascript, and
> > > Adobe Flash. Allow me to explain.
> > >
> > > Due to rise of the Internet and related boom in outsourcing,
> > the vast,
> > > vast majority of programmers in developing countries are web
> > developers
> > > (according to my own grossly unscientific survey). The rise
> > of the
> > > Internet has also led a lot of talented graphic designers in
> > developing
> > > and developed countries to learn web technologies. I even
> > > wager that CSS/HTML/Javascript will become the de facto GUI
> > technologies
> > > in a few years time. <a
> > > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygtk">PyGTK</a> won't
> > take over the
> > > world nor will VB.net.
> > >
> > > The popular term for this triumvirate of technologies is <a
> > > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX">AJAX</a>, with the
> > difference
> > > that AJAX applications typically require communication with
> > a remote
> > > server. I propose using web technologies for completely
> > offline
> > > activities. Adobe's Flash is basically a variant of AJAX
> > that uses
> > > dialects of Javascript (<a
> > >
> > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actionscript">Actionscript</a>)
> and
> > > XML (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MXML">MXML</a>).
> > >
> > > Very few programmers in the developed world get paid to
> > write desktop
> > > linux apps. Still, open-source developers find learn and
> > build pygtk,
> > > mono, and KDE apps in their free-time. Developers in the
> > developing
> > > world are extremely enthusiastic about FOSS but not nearly
> > as prolific
> > > in creating open-source software due to a phenomenon I
> > > call the "FOSS-Nepal Paradox."
> > >
> > > The <a
> > >
> > href="
> http://wiki.fossnepal.org/index.php?title=The_FOSS_Nepal_Community">FOSS
> Nepal</a> community has <a href="
> http://softwarefreedomday.org/Competition2008">won the award</a> for best
> celebration of Software Freedom day for two years in a running. Despite all
> this enthusiasm the FOSS Nepal community is not very prolific in producing
> open-source code. The reason for this is that Nepal is not a wealthy country
> and that Open-Source is <em><strong>expensive</strong></em> to produce.
> > >
> > > <strong>Open-Source is Expensive</strong>
> > >
> > > Open-source software voraciously consumes a resource even
> > more valuable
> > > than hard cash, programmer time. Linus Torvalds could afford
> > to spend
> > > some of the most productive years of his life working
> > without immediate
> > > financial benefit. He could slack off in his classes without
> > fear of
> > > unemployment upon graduation. I doubt his parents were
> > counting on him
> > > to support them financially once he got a job.
> > >
> > > Most talented Nepali programmers I know do not have those
> > luxuries. They
> > > are under a lot of pressure to support their parents and
> > extended
> > > families, financially and otherwise. So Nepalis,
> > Bangladeshis, Peruanos,
> > > etc. certainly have the passion and ability to contribute to
> > open-source
> > > but their free time is significantly more limited.
> > >
> > > This doesn't mean that we should rely on developers from
> > rich countries.
> > > We simply need to radically lower the amount of time
> > required to create
> > > learning activities. I believe that many, many developers in
> > the
> > > developing world can contribute 3-5 hours per week. To make
> > those few
> > > hours productive we need to rework the default activity
> > framework.
> > >
> > > >From what I can tell, the primary design goals of the
> > default PyGTK
> > > activity
> > > framework are as follows:
> > >
> > > <ol><li>Give the programmer maximum
> > flexibility</li><li>Fully exploit
> > > the XO's hardware features </li><li>Mesh nicely with
> > Sugar</li></ol>
> > >
> > > These three goals are laudable and their hacker roots are
> > obvious. The
> > > problem is that these goals maximize the technology's
> > potential rather
> > > than programmer productivity. We need reach beyond the
> > vi/emacs crowd
> > > (Note: I wrote this article using emacs) to thos folks that
> > the masters
> > > of Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Eclipse, and GIMP.
> > >
> > > I propose a new set of design goals:
> > >
> > > <ol>
> > > <li>Allow activity designers to quickly build
> > activities utilizing
> > > widely-used tools.</li>
> > > <li>Quickly reward effort with working behavior</li>
> > > <li>Mesh nicely with the Sugar UI</li>
> > > </ol>
> > >
> > > <strong>It's OK to be Opinionated</strong>
> > >
> > > We need an opinionated activity framework that makes
> > infrastructure
> > > choices for the designer so that she can focus presentation
> > and
> > > gameplay. Some may recognize this as the principle of <a
> > >
> > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_over_Configuration">Convention
> Over Configuration</a>, a principle that two of the most popular web
> frameworks, Django and RubyOnRails, adhere to. Now a lot of geeks don't like
> Convention over Configuration--perl hackers especially--but they sure do
> allow you to create nice applications very quickly.
> > >
> > > Establishing an "opinionated" activity framework will in no
> > way limit
> > > the freedom of those hackers who want to go their own way.
> > They can
> > > always build their own activities from whatever tools they
> > choose. The
> > > whole point of a framework is to help people get started
> > quickly but it
> > > doesn't constrain anyone.
> > >
> > > This concludes part I. Here are some tantalizing morsels
> > from Part II
> > > of "How to Make Activity Designers Happy,"
> > >
> > > <ul>
> > > <li>Where it's at: HTML, CSS, Javascript, and *gasp*
> > Flash</li>
> > > <li>Nepal's Content Development Experience</li>
> > > <li>Aren't Kids going to create all learning
> > activities so we don't
> > > have to?</li>
> > > </ul>
> > >
> > > <em>
> > > Bryan Berry is the Technology Director of <a
> > > href="http://www.olenepal.org">OLE Nepal</a> and deadbeat
> > co-editor of
> > > OLPCNews.com. Christopher Marin contributed his knowledge
> > about all
> > > things web to this article</em>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In part 1, I talked about the paradoxical
> > > nature of open-source communities in developing countries,
> > flaws in
> > > the current default activity development framework, and the
> > urgent
> > > need for a new framework that makes activity designers
> > <em>happy</em>.
> > >
> > > By happy, I mean that the framework rewards their efforts
> > almost
> > > immediately (roughly 15 minutes of effort) and it lets them
> > focus on
> > > presentation and gameplay rather than infrastructure. Last
> > time I
> > > offered some vague ideas how this framework might function.
> > This time
> > > I will provide more details how this framework could work
> > and why.
> > >
> > > Let's Ride The Internet Wave
> > >
> > > The Internet is the 300-pound gorilla in the
> > software-engineering room
> > > it will eat virtually everything, including your favorite
> > desktop GUI
> > > framework. All of the IDE's bend over backwards to support
> > coding of
> > > webapps, whether it is emacs, eclipse, or even vim. The
> > software
> > > industry is making huge investments into web technologies
> > that support
> > > the triumvirate of HTML/CSS/Javascript, witness Google's
> > investment in
> > > <a href="http://code.google.com/p/v8/ ">V8 javascript</a>
> > compiler and
> > > Apple's investment in <a
> > > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit">Webkit</a>. I
> > speculate
> > > that there are many, many more developers working on GUI
> > toolkits for
> > > the web browser- such as JQuery, Prototype,
> > Script.aculo.us-than for
> > > GNOME or KDE desktop frameworks.
> > >
> > > The web will keep innovating at a breakneck pace. We need to
> > ride that
> > > wave of innovation.
> > >
> > > In the early days of OLPC, we all had a lot of grandiose and
> > > impractical ideas. The educational systems of developing
> > countries
> > > would change overnight into constructionist hotbeds. Kids
> > would build
> > > their own activities, eliminating the need for large
> > investments in
> > > content development. A million PyGTK apps with built-in
> > collaboration
> > > and "View-Source" key would spontaneously bloom . . . Well,
> > we're
> > > older and wiser now. School systems anywhere are not blank
> > slates that
> > > we can redraw from scratch using cheap laptops and Etoys.
> > Similarly,
> > > we cannot expect thousands of developers to flock to a
> > framework
> > > (PyGTK) that is not commercially popular.
> > >
> > > Developing Country Developer Economics
> > >
> > > As I wrote in Part I, the economics of open-source in
> > developing
> > > countries is quite different than that in the developed
> > > world. Developers there have ample enthusiasm for
> > open-source but much
> > > less time to contribute.
> > >
> > > We need to lower the barrier of entry significantly in order
> > to use
> > > their talents. In fact, we need to entice non-programmers
> > such as
> > > graphic designers. In my limited experience, graphic
> > designers are
> > > much better at designing learning activities than
> > programmers. They
> > > better appreciate aesthetics and visual story-telling.
> > >
> > > Web designers layout their work using CSS and (X)HTML. They
> > implement
> > > user interaction and animations using Javascript. They
> > design their
> > > work using Photoshop, GIMP, Adobe Illustrator, and sometimes
> > > Eclipse. They know the features and dark areas of the
> > Firefox web
> > > browser. Sugar infrastructure developers, these people are
> > your
> > > customers. We need KARMA to enable them to quickly buidl
> > activities
> > > for the XO without having to learn a whole new skillset.
> > From a
> > > programmatic point of view, Browse needs to behave as much
> > as possible
> > > like Firefox. Any discrepancy will distract activity
> > designers from
> > > the more rewarding parts of activity development.
> > >
> > > Building Good KARMA
> > >
> > > Before we get too far, let's give this new activity
> > framework a name
> > > so I can save us all a lot of excess verbiage. I call it
> > <u>KARMA</u>,
> > > because the word is loosely-related to Nepal, my current
> > residence,
> > > and I like to think creating open-source learning activities
> > gives an
> > > individual good karma. Coincidentally, it is also the first
> > two
> > > syllables of Rabi Karmacharya's last name--an individual put
> > a ton of
> > > hard work and personal sacrifice into the OLPC project in
> > Nepal.
> > >
> > > Well, I haven't actually made up my mind what the core
> > technologies of
> > > KARMA
> > > should be. I need your help to work it out. Before I get
> > into the
> > > technologies, here are my priorities. 1) These tools
> > maximize
> > > programmer productivity and 2) are open-soure. Priority #1
> > is much
> > > more important than #2. 100% purely open-source activities
> > that don't
> > > exist don't help kids learn. The current pygtk framework is
> > purely
> > > open-source but you have to become a unix programmer to use
> > it. As I
> > > noted in Part I, the vast, vast majority of programmers in
> > the
> > > developing world are web developers and a successful
> > activity
> > > framework will allow them to re-use their existing skills
> > and tools.
> > >
> > > I have settled on HTML and CSS for the presentation but it
> > is tougher
> > > to decide on the scripting toolset and on persistent data
> > > storage. Flash handles animations really well and it is easy
> > to
> > > integrate audio into the animations. Adobe sells some really
> > nice
> > > WYSIWYG tools for editing animation and adding audio. A lot
> > of
> > > developers know flash so there is a large pool of talent we
> > can draw
> > > from. Did I forget to mention that Flash is proprietary?
> > >
> > > The closed-source issue not withstanding, Flash is the tool
> > to
> > > use. Some may be upset that Flash doesn't lend itself to
> > "View Source"
> > > functionality but learning programming is not the sum total
> > of
> > > education. Kids can do all the programming they ever want to
> > w/ the
> > > excellent Etoys and Scratch. Sorry to sound like a broken
> > record, but
> > > Afghani kids won't be able to view the source of Pashto
> > grammar
> > > activities that don't exist, let alone interactively learn
> > the rules
> > > of Pashto grammar.
> > >
> > > Flash Ain't Open-Source
> > >
> > > Flash is not _as_ closed-source as other software
> > applications like
> > > Windows. The Adobe has published the specification for their
> > SWF file
> > > format and the ActionScript 3.0 compiler is open-source.
> > However, the
> > > Adobe's development tools such as Adobe Animator,
> > Illustrator,
> > > Photoshop, etc. are not open-source. Nor is Adobe's flash
> > player
> > > plugin. There is the open-source Gnash player but it does
> > not fully
> > > support Actionscript 3 or Flash version 9. Rob Savoye and
> > his team at
> > > Open Media Now do a great job but they seriously lack
> > resources. Note:
> > > Rob
> > > Savoye, please correct my egregious errors.
> > >
> > > Javascript Isn't Ready
> > >
> > > I put in a good number of research hours into this article.
> > I really,
> > > really wanted to find a pure javascript framework that could
> > compete
> > > with Flash. I couldn't find one that does. There are
> > libraries like
> > > DOJO, JQuery, and Processing.js
> > > http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/. Unfortunately, there
> > aren't any
> > > IDE's that provide WYSIWYG animation editing for these
> > tools. Every
> > > try to edit photos from a text editor? It's painful, really
> > > painful. So while real programmers use emacs (or vi, joe,
> > sam, etc.),
> > > designers use WYSIWYG GUI's.
> > >
> > > Sadly, Javascript can't use the Graphics Processing Unit
> > like Flash
> > > can. Ouch, it's a pain in the ass to couple animations with
> > sound
> > > files. Based on my research so far, pure javascript won't be
> > able to
> > > compete with Flash for at least the next several years.
> > Please prove
> > > me wrong. Please post a comment to this article linking to
> > some
> > > Javascript wonderfulness that pulls even with Flash.
> > >
> > >
> > > I will continue with the assumption that KARMA will use
> > flash. I will
> > > happily revise this article ex post facto if someone in
> > cyberspace
> > > points me to a pure javascript solution that makes activity
> > designers
> > > happy.
> > >
> > > Building Momentum for Gnash
> > >
> > > I believe that the best way to increase interest in fully
> > open-source
> > > flash is to make Flash more central in the evolving
> > open-source
> > > education stack rather than minimizing its role. We
> > definitely cannot
> > > wait for Gnash to fully support every feature of the
> > proprietary flash
> > > before we begin using it. Open-Source starts when a single
> > developer
> > > "scratches an itch" as the proverb goes. It follows then
> > that the best
> > > way to bring Gnash up to speed we need to create a nasty,
> > festering
> > > sore that irritates the open-source community into action.
> > >
> > > Moving the Conversation Forward
> > >
> > > Many people will likely hate my promotion of Flash for
> > learning
> > > activities. It's OK if you hate me and Flash. I do hope you
> > recognize
> > > that we need a more developer-centric activity framework
> > that uses web
> > > technologies.
> > >
> > > I have a lot more to write about Nepal's experiences
> > developing
> > > learning activities and my ideas on Convention over
> > Configuration in
> > > sugar activities. I will save those for another day.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
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> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>
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