[IAEP] irc logs

Tomeu Vizoso tomeu at sugarlabs.org
Thu Feb 5 05:00:47 EST 2009

Looking through public archives, I have found one of my first posts to
the first mailing list of the OLPC project:


So if I found it useful back then when I was a newbie trying to figure
out how I could help, it may be of use to other people that may become
contributors in the future.

Also, the question isn't if people would behave differently if they
new the channel is being publicly logged, but if they would behave in
a less constructive way.

But perhaps the controversy is because some people are already using
the channel as a public medium and others still have some feeling of
privacy there?



On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:54, Martin Dengler <martin at martindengler.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:22:56AM -0500, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
>> You cannot be both for and against transparency.
> You can't be for or against anything that's as ill-defined as
> "transparency".  The proposal itself was ill-defined.  And the
> responses appropriately vague.  Let's not over-simplify / straw man
> the discussion into pro-/anti-transparency, because that's a
> meaningless debate until the terms are defined.
>>  As a community, we cannot both demand that leadership discussions
>> happen out in the open, while at the same time refusing to have our
>> own public conversations recorded.
> No ones refusing, but I don't want it facilitated because it doesn't
> serve any good purpose.  As I've said before:
>> I don't think the audience might understand the volume, verbosity,
>> and context-mining involved in browsing such a log.
>>> Bernie proposed a reasonable solution that can be implemented without
>>> infringing upon anyone's privacy: private logging done by a user on a shell
>>> account, as is the norm for most IRC conversations.
>> How is this better than logging automatically, which has the exact
>> same effect, except that everyone has access to the logs, instead of
>> only those who choose to keep the logs?
> It's better because it doesn't at all have the exact same effect.  If
> I talk to you at the Beer Event at FOSDEM, do you object to it being
> recorded? ;)
>> --g
> Martin
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