[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Future of Zero Sugar

[Aleksey Lim]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:01:26PM -0500, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> I for one would love to learn a new way to hack on my sugar and easily share
> patches.
> If we can do better than jhbuild does (user experience wise), I would love
> it!

yeah, some day we can provide 0install glucose e.g. for testing purposes
so, users on any distro can install last development release of sugar
by trivial gestures - copy past 0install url and click OK

> 
> Icarito
> 
> 2009/12/14 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> 
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 17:01, Aleksey Lim <alsroot at member.fsf.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 04:19:51PM -0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:25, Benjamin M. Schwartz
> > >> <bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> > >> > Aleksey Lim wrote:
> > >> >> So, I have
> > >> >> strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
> > >> >> which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
> > >> >> activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
> > >> >> decentralization of development process.
> > >> >
> > >> > I agree. I think this has been a central part of the Sugar design
> > >> > philosophy from the beginning.  I think your message is very much on
> > the
> > >> > right track.
> > >>
> > >> While I think this is in the spirit of my vision for Sugar, my
> > >> experience with how Sugar is being used and deployed _today_ makes it
> > >> quite uninteresting and too invasive to consider for the near future.
> > >>
> > >> The current barriers for people to contribute to Sugar development and
> > >> share their work are mostly cultural. We can make the technology a
> > >> thousand times easier to modify, but if people still think that they
> > >> can be only users, we won't gain anything.
> > >>
> > >> If we really want more people to realize their power and modify sugar
> > >> and share their work, we need to, in order:
> > >>
> > >> - show how the community can address some of their needs, as perceived
> > by them,
> > >>
> > >> - show how they can better address the rest of their needs by working
> > >> within the community.
> > >>
> > >> The rest is just icing on the top, IMHO.
> > >
> > > well, thats all true but it doesn't exclude easy to change and easy to
> > > share possibility of doer's changes e.g. if I want to hack Journal by
> > > adding wallpaper support(and of course want to expose my changes) the
> > > worst way that could be is proposing my changes to core team(e.g. think
> > > about proposing your patches to kernel.org team - maybe exaggerating but
> > > the same level issue). Having ready to use sugarized 0install
> > > environment gives developers easy sharing method.
> >
> > As I said, I agree with your points of view and also agree something
> > should be done in the path you show. But I also think that presently,
> > what would bring more users and deployers on board, is by caring of
> > their more immediate needs.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
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Aleksey