[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Future of Zero Sugar

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 17:01, Aleksey Lim <alsroot at member.fsf.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 04:19:51PM -0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:25, Benjamin M. Schwartz
>> <bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> > Aleksey Lim wrote:
>> >> So, I have
>> >> strong intension to switching development focus from core team,
>> >> which develops sucrose - glucose(core) and fructose(some core
>> >> activities) to wide range of developers/doers thus some kind of
>> >> decentralization of development process.
>> >
>> > I agree. I think this has been a central part of the Sugar design
>> > philosophy from the beginning.  I think your message is very much on the
>> > right track.
>>
>> While I think this is in the spirit of my vision for Sugar, my
>> experience with how Sugar is being used and deployed _today_ makes it
>> quite uninteresting and too invasive to consider for the near future.
>>
>> The current barriers for people to contribute to Sugar development and
>> share their work are mostly cultural. We can make the technology a
>> thousand times easier to modify, but if people still think that they
>> can be only users, we won't gain anything.
>>
>> If we really want more people to realize their power and modify sugar
>> and share their work, we need to, in order:
>>
>> - show how the community can address some of their needs, as perceived by them,
>>
>> - show how they can better address the rest of their needs by working
>> within the community.
>>
>> The rest is just icing on the top, IMHO.
>
> well, thats all true but it doesn't exclude easy to change and easy to
> share possibility of doer's changes e.g. if I want to hack Journal by
> adding wallpaper support(and of course want to expose my changes) the
> worst way that could be is proposing my changes to core team(e.g. think
> about proposing your patches to kernel.org team - maybe exaggerating but
> the same level issue). Having ready to use sugarized 0install
> environment gives developers easy sharing method.

As I said, I agree with your points of view and also agree something
should be done in the path you show. But I also think that presently,
what would bring more users and deployers on board, is by caring of
their more immediate needs.

Regards,

Tomeu

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