[IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.
bert at freudenbergs.de
Wed Aug 26 11:56:58 EDT 2009
On 26.08.2009, at 17:42, David Farning wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michael Stone<michael at laptop.org>
>>> Frankly Michael, the only way I can read these posts from you is
>>> you are frustrated because we aren't churning more work,
>>> regardless of
>>> how much we have achieved that is relevant to OLPC deployments.
>> I do not accept that work I have managed to do in the past is
>> sufficient simply
>> because it was the work that I was able to do. Instead, I form or
>> this acceptance with reference to three external measures:
>> * absolute standards of quality, e.g. as formed by acceptance
>> testing against
>> written design goals or user experiences,
>> * relative standards of quality as evidenced by the respect and
>> of specific individuals whose judgment I trust and whose biases
>> seem to me
>> to control for some of my obvious biases, and
>> * freeform standards of quality as evidenced by what other people
>> made from the work.
>> I am therefore frustrated, for the reason you mention, because I
>> believe that
>> our work is achieves none of these standards of "good enough".
>> (Unsurprisingly, I'm frustrated for some other reasons too, but
>> that's neither
>> here nor there.)
>>> Do you have any actionable ideas about how to work better for our
>> I perceive a double bind: I have lots of ideas, but ideas are cheap
>> and seem
>> most unwelcome here -- they're just "talk" instead of "do", aren't
>> P.S - Maybe a reasonable compromise on the double bind would be for
>> me to share
>> a small number of ideas, or to share as many ideas fit into a fixed
>> conversation in a different medium?
> An effective way to become a respected member of on open source
> community is to start with small ideas and implement them. If the
> deliverable works, is useful, and meets coding standards it will be
> accepted. A couple of iterations through this:
> a: Produce improvements to the product.
> b. Help the contributor earn the respect of the current community so
> they will be encourage to participate and take on larger projects.
> That tends to open doors.
> Drive by ventings tend to shut them.
I find dismissing Michael's points as "drive by venting" highly
- Bert -
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