[IAEP] [Marketing] Fwd: [Sur] sugarlabs.org: sugerencia

[Sean DALY]

Alas, if I had the technical chops to code what is necessary, I would
have done so already :-(

the fundamental problem is that several parts of the SL "site" are
traps for unsophisticated users: they can get in, but they can't get
back out and can't get back to the homepage.

The absence of links between the site sections also interferes with
our referencing, but we've mitigated that by linking the wiki logo to
the site homepage. Counter-intuitive for users who were used to the
wiki being the main site, but perfectly normal for first-time users.

I myself manage to find most of what I need on the SL site sections
(except for dark corners of the wiki where I have posted stuff and
have no idea how to ever find it again) and when in trouble I google
with the "site:" option.

Designing a slick, integrated site can come later as far as I'm
concerned (other priorities more important) but we could go to
single-window tomorrow if every site section had a link to the
homepage, which they do not :-(

Sean


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Martin Dengler
<martin at martindengler.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 08:14:06PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
>> Again, we need at least basically consistent navigation.
>
> I'm surprised such a high (worth a month's delay before a volunteer
> can work on designing a solution) bar was set for such a simple
> (remove target="_blank"), obviously useful (works in Sugar's own
> browser, requested by a developer and an educator and probably other)
> and improvable (can be removed later) feature.
>
>> We could advance more rapidly if no one is suprised when Christian
>> adapts my April 3rd suggestion:
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-April/000742.html
>
> I don't know that I understand your suggestion(s), unfortunately (but
> I don't have to, I guess).  I think you're suggesting consistent
> navigation among all four sites, by redesigning...just the navigation
> section on all four (activities, wiki, www, download .sugarlabs.org)?
> Just the sugarlabs.org site?
>
> The main thing that struck me about the email you referenced was the
> amount of discussion about the sitemap.  As I'm probably not the
> target audience you may ignore this data point, but for what its worth
> the main thought I had after reading your email was: I've never used a
> sitemap.  If I can't find it, I use google.
>
> It seems relevant that to get Fedora or Ubuntu or Firefox, the first
> hit on Google for each has a prominent link to download, and:
>
>   - Ubuntu's download link is prominent and central, and resulting
>     page a) opens within the same window; and b) with similar look
>     and feel.  The top-right navigation section reminded me a lot of
>     what I thought you might have meant in your message (see below).
>     Quite central is some text *explaining* Ubuntu.
>
>   - Fedora's download link is prominent but but not central; I
>     thought this was bad until I realized the central link
>     *explained* Fedora, which is an interesting tradeoff that might
>     be adoptable for www.sugarlabs.org.
>
>   - Firefox's download link is prominent and central.  Barely (but
>     still) "above the fold", with a huge-lettered title, is a section
>     *explaining* Firefox.
>
>
>> thanks
>>
>> Sean
>
> Martin
>
> PS - thanks for all the work; I don't mean to sound ungrateful
> (hopefully at worst this sounds brusqe)...just trying to communicate
> as explicitly as possible to waste as little (more) of your time...
>