[IAEP] Sugar on Debian

[Yoshiki Ohshima]

At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:39:02 +0100,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I did not realize the importance of your reference to _later_ 
> discussion for your question.

  Well, from my writing, it is not clear at all.  (In my head, it was
so clear, though^^;) Sorry about that.

> Before I posted the above, I searched the public Debian archives and 
> found nothing(!) relevant. So I suspect the general Debian community is 
> completely unaware of tour hard work on relicensing Squeak, and the 
> ftpmasters' decision to anyway judge it as non-free. As I said, it seems 
> the discussion took place only discretely between José, Holger, Bert and 
> ftpmasters.
> 
> I is possible that new discrete discussions with ftpmasters emerged as 
> result of (or independent from) the discussions here at IAEP and OLPC 
> lists in June.
> 
> Jim Gettys and I are Debian developers and followed those threads at 
> IAEP and OLPC, but none of us are ftpmasters and I for one did not pass 
> it on to other forums.
> 
> Holgers published summary and his lack of different viewpoint when 
> posting here yesterday, indicates no progress:
> 
> Back in May ftpmasters recommended to openly discuss their decision at 
> the main Debian developers' mailinglist debian-devel at lists.debian.org 
> The words "Squeak" and "Etoys" matched no recent posts to that 
> mailinglist. Holger clearly stated in his summary on june 13th that he 
> does not intend to start discussing openly until after the release of 
> Debian Lenny (which was frozen at some point in the summer and still is 
> not ready for release).
> 
> I recommend asking the other participants of that dicrete dialogue back 
> in may if they know of any progress.
> 
> Alternatively the mailinglist debian-devel at lists.debian.org is open for 
> all, so you are free to initiate a discussion about the "non-free" 
> status of Etoys (as an example, and Squeak images generally), and to 
> raise attention to your relicensing work and the seemling lack of 
> results. I do not have the mental resources or detailed knowhow on the 
> topic to do so myself.

  Thank you for the suggestion.  I'm so bad at emailing so I hesitate
to dive in by myself... So, Bert, Holger, José, do you know if any
progress made?  ^^;

-- Yoshiki