[IAEP] [sugar] Sugar on Edubuntu

[David Farning]

Thanks Edward,

I see that you have cced Yoshiki and Robin.  If they don't catch this
thread, I follow up with them.

thanks
david

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:35 PM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem here is that edubuntu and its packages are in Ubuntu Main,
> >> and for sugar to be in there, there must be no non-free software in
> >> it, and squeak is not totally free. Apple fonts not being modifiable,
> >> iirc. Its pretty much the same policy as debian. Scratch was recently
> >> rejected from MOTU for the similar reasons.
> >>
> >> David Van Assche
> >
> > Is the issue where squeak was originally licensed under a non-free Apple
> > license[1] and the squeak foundations can't locate all of the original
> > contributors[2] to convert it to an mit license?
> >
> > 1. http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/
> > 2. http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories
> >
> > david
>
> That was the problem. My understanding is that it has very nearly been
> dealt with. Yoshiki and Robin will know much more than I.
> =====
> As mentioned in the leadership discussion minutes from Craig, the
> plan now is as follows:
>
>  - Make Squeak version 4.0.  This is based on the 3.11 effort but
>   get rid of or rewrite code that are not relicensed and make a
>   fully relicensed version relatively conservatively.  Etoys 4.0 is
>   now fully relicensed, and we can bring the removal and rewrite
>   changesets from that stream.
>
>  - Craig continue to work on the Spoon based system.  It is dubbed
>   Squeak 5.0.  (My personal opinion is that because it is fairly
>   different, it could have a different name, but...)
>
> BTW, during the Etoys' relicensing effort, I made a little web app
> that lets you view *all history* from Squeak V1 to the latest version:
>
> http://tinlizzie.org:8080/seaside/examples/authorship2
>
> I can make a similar page for 3.10 or such, and also give a tool to
> check the unlicened code in a particular code base.
>
>  Ken and Mathew, how does it sound?
>
> -- Yoshiki
> =====
> Robin Norwood
>  to fedora-olpc-li.
>
> Aug 11
>
> Hi,
>
> For the few of you who aren't on the extensive Cc list, we've had a
> discussion about the Squeak license with Fedora legal (Tom Callaway)
> and VPRI (Kim Rose and others).
>
> To summarize:
>
> o As of this moment, there is probably still some code in Squeak that
> has not been properly moved to the MIT license.  (Mostly because the
> original contributors can't be found).
>
> o Fedora can't accept code that is in this state.
>
> o Kim Rose says:
>
> """
> My colleagues, Yoshiki Ohshima and Bert Freudenbeg (along with a few
> others) have been reviewing all code and our signed Relicensing
> Agreements for the past week or so.  I believe they are stripping out
> any code that still remains in the image for which we do not have
> signed agreements to cover.  I will meet with them upon my return
> from vacation week of August 18th to see exactly where we stand.
> """
>
> So, it looks very hopeful that squeak will soon be entirely safe to
> include in Fedora, and we'll know more after the 18th.
>
> -RN
>
> --
> Robin Norwood
> Red Hat, Inc.
>
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>
>
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