[IAEP] [sugar] Fwd: Autonomous system for Sugar development....

Walter Bender walter.bender at gmail.com
Fri Jun 6 22:06:07 CEST 2008

I've been working on a rough draft of a governance model that I'll
post to the wiki for comments as soon as it is beyond the
stream-of-conscience stage (leaning heavily on the Gnome model). Stay


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM, David Farning <dfarning at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 21:16 +0200, Ivan Krstić wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:04 PM, Jim Gettys wrote:
>> > The community itself needs to decide on a set of people who are the
>> > group of sysadmin people for Sugar's possible move to be something all
>> > are comfortable about.
>> Please don't top post, and please do quote relevant sections of
>> original e-mails when replying. I don't know what the above statement
>> is referencing, since I never made any claims about who should choose,
>> or act as, the SugarLabs sysadmins.
>> > And for more to contribute in the sysadmin area, the system
>> > administration needs to have redundancy, and actually get documented
>> > and
>> > communicated.  Single points of failure is not an option to us at this
>> > date.
>> A single point of failure was never an 'option'; at OLPC, it was a
>> reality due to organizational failings. No reasonable open source
>> community will make those kinds of mistakes.
>> I've offered hardware, bandwidth and root to a small group of trusted
>> SugarLabs people. I'll leave scheduling meetings and discussing it
>> with OLPC to people who have the patience.
> A good resource would be the gnome-infrastructure guys at
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-infrastructure .  Aren't
> they at least partially hosted at Canonical?
> I will set up a SysadminTeam space on w.l.o later today.
> As for the tone, let's keep it positive.  Jim and OLPC are trying to
> spinoff (disentangle) Sugar and Sugar Labs from OLPC.  But, there is a
> catch--Sugar is a primary component in OLPC's primary product.  If Sugar
> Labs collapses, OLPC is in a painful position.  From a practical
> perspective OLPC is going to have to help keep Sugar Labs going until we
> can get our feet under us.
> Imagine loaning your credit card to your kid for the first time.  You
> will probably give it to him, but sure as hell want a plan and some
> limits!
> As a result, Sugar Labs needs to view OLPC as a customer, right now our
> only customer.  Jim was offering to help Sugar Labs meet it's current
> hosting needs.  In exchange he wanted a plan.
> As Greg pointed out in an earlier thread, we need to work on our 'Dog
> and Pony Show'.  We need to be able to present a plan.
> Until the approved governance methods are in place,  could we set up
> advisory board to help us keep on track?
> Thanks
> Dfarning
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