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Hi Tomeu,

Could you please forward the below message to the list - it seems you
have some problems with the setup: I simply replied to a post on the
list :-/

Kind regards,

 - Jonas

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From: Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Getting Debian
To: its.an.education.project at lists.lo-res.org
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:29:32 +0200
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:26:59AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>> I have been in contact with Debian, DebianEdu, and SkoleLinux about
>> adding getting Sugar for their distributions to
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian .
>>
>> The Jhbuild information on the w.l.o page is pretty overwhelming to
>> newcomers.  It is directed more towards developers.  So it is located at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Jhbuild
>>
>> I would make sense to
>> populate http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian
>> and point to it from [supported systems].
>>
>> There is a great deal of interest in shipping Sugar within these
>> distributions.
>>
>> I will look into Fedora and fedora based distributions this afternoon.
>
>Awesome, I guess we have two different kind of users for these kind of packages:
>
>- people who just want to try it out. A LiveCD might be better, but if
>Debian is already installed, having a stable (read outdated) version
>on the official repositories might be good enough. 'apt-get install
>sugar' should just work.
>
>- people who want to test it or develop for it. Alternative repos
>might be provided, with testing and unstable versions, after adding
>those repos, apt-get should be enough.
>
>This matches the debian style?

Debian is a large community.  There are many "styles".

  1) Install only .deb packages from a single Debian branch
  2) Install only .deb packages, mixing sources (non-free multimedia)
  3) Install only .deb packages from Debian, mixing branches
  4) Install only .deb packages, mixing sources and branches
  5) Install mixed packages, converting .rpm with the "alien" tool
  6) Install some software through upstream methods (CPAN, jhbuild...)
  7) Install some software "by hand" (NVidia blobs, web apps)
  8) Build some packages locally (like kernels, java, google-earth)
  9) Compile some software "by hand"

I recommend 1) or 2) for normal users. I use 2) and 8) personally.

Yes, I played with jhbuild too, but felt uncomfortable with it: I feared
that I might end up "contaminating" my Debian system: install stuff in
places that interfered with Debian, or that would build up cruft - stuff
that it failed to remove again when finished using, and that I had no
tool to supervise and that way discover myself for manual cleanup.

I don't mean to say that jhbuild is bad at all.  Just that it is not
_my_ style :-)

Currently Debian contains a single limited collection of Sugar-related
packages:  Newest Glucose and parts of Fructose.

The size of the collection will probably grow beyond Sucrose.

Also, I hope to extend the complexity to maintain multiple tracks within
same Debian branch.  So that you - within same Debian branch - can
choose to install either, say, sucrose-81, sucrose-82 or perhaps
sucrose-g1g1.

I also consider the idea of some "starch" package that will guide you
through generating a complete self-contained image, either as a live-CD,
a net-bootable image (for use with LTSP), or other variants (Debian
contains a bunch of different tools for embedding and/or snapshotting).

Time will tell what gets realized...

  - Jonas

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