[IAEP] [FM Discuss] Book sprint aug 16-23

Wed Jul 9 11:06:05 CEST 2008

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
<e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
> (also CC'ing the grassroots mailing-list and Adaml Holt on this discussion)
>
> As ever so often too much time is spent discussing things instead of
> actually getting anything done...
>
> In general I'm not too happy about this sprint being so 1CC-centric.
> Realistically a lot of the contributors you would  really want to have for
> such a sprint are not going to be able to fly in from Europe, Africa, South
> America or Asia, especially on such short notice and with details such as
> reimbursement as always being very much up in the air.
>
> What's likely going to happen if the event indeed takes place is that a
> bunch of people (my estimate: 5~7) will be in Boston for a couple of days
> and if we're lucky a beta-version of whatever documentation is produced will
> be available by the end of the sprint on August 23. In my humble opinion
> that's too little too late, especially when you consider localization and
> translation.
>
> I would much rather suggest that we come up with a consensus on what
> documentation is actually needed by the end of this week (July 13) and then
> give ourselves another 2 weeks (until July 27) to actually produce some
> usable first draft documentation (alpha if you will). Based on those initial
> documents we can talk about the future roadmap, gather community feedback,
> look for translators, etc.

Can we do both?  One of the advantages of a sprint is that people are
together, in a specific location, for the express purpose of
documenting.  We need to figure out what kid of documentation we're
aiming at anyway, so doing it by the end of the week sounds like a
good idea.  Can we get firm commitments, with expected number of
man/woman-hours people can work on this over the next 2 weeks (for the
first draft documentation)?

> In general I also very much agree with Adam's comments on "editing
> documentation benefits from very individual stewardship/editorship.  IE
> overly distributing this among dozen(s) could get messy."
>
> Anyway, regardless of the discussion here I'll be working on documenting
> 'record' over the next couple of days and then we'll see what happens...

Dan has been working on Record to get it working on the latest
joyrides.  I'm cc'ing him just in case any of the interface will be
changing.

thanks for your thoughts!

yours,
Bobby

> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> Edward Cherlin schrieb:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Seth Woodworth <seth at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would be best to slice up what exists and have a phone
>>> conference
>>> before the end of the week on what said -quick- manual would look like,
>>> what
>>> it should cover.  I believe that parts of the learning team would like to
>>> be
>>> involved in that conversation if we have time for them.
>>>
>>> Who's up for a phone conference thursday?  OLPC to host.
>>>
>>
>> I have a call at Noon PST and a meeting at 7:30 PM PST. Otherwise, fine.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Seth Woodworth <seth at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:38 PM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like we have support for the idea of a book sprint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considerations:
>>>>>> Time - Version .82 will be released Aug 10th. Is it worth it to try to
>>>>>> hit that release date?  As much as I would like to say yes, we should
>>>>>> not push things too fast.  My key goal in setting up the sprint is to
>>>>>> create a _concrete_ event where people can come together to and help
>>>>>> OLPC.  Let's take our time and use this as a test run at community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I would like a complete set of documentation for Sugar, if
>>>>> we
>>>>> can
>>>>> get the event done sooner it can ship on thousands of G1G1 machines.
>>>>>  This
>>>>> is an important consideration.  Can we make a list of who could make it
>>>>> to
>>>>> Boston in a very short period of time for a Sprint and decide from
>>>>> there?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's look at it another way. How much needs to be done to get
>>>> something ready for this release and shipment? How inaccurate is the
>>>> current manual?
>>>>
>>>> Can we do that task online, starting right away, and then have the
>>>> sprint for whatever is appropriate after that? I can rearrange my own
>>>> schedule somewhat to accommodate an important rush project.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Location - Seth mentioned the availability of space at the OLPC's
>>>>>> offices.  That would be great if it were possible.  The marketing
>>>>>> angle
>>>>>> of volunteers coming together to olpc's offices for a sprint would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One way or another, locations will be had here in Boston.  Kim approved
>>>>> support for the event at the 1cc office so long as both conference
>>>>> rooms
>>>>> aren't booked.  And even spilling over onto MIT isn't that big of deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Big question is would Adam and Anne feel comfortable running the
>>>>>> sprint on OLPC's turf.  Adam and Anne are the domain experts.   We
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to give them the room to leverage the OLPC effort and enthusiasm
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> FM's experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Participantes -
>>>>>> Anne Gentle - Texas
>>>>>> Adam Hyde  - Netherlands
>>>>>> David Farning - Wisconsin
>>>>>> Walter Bender - East coast
>>>>>> Greg Dekoenigsberg - ?
>>>>>> Others - ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Might I also add Benjamin Mako Hill [Boston] (author of the Official
>>>>> Ubuntu
>>>>> book and sometime OLPC employee), and Ron Hale-Evans [Seattle]
>>>>> (technical
>>>>> author via O'Reily, Fellow OLPC/Sugar nut and Linux Foundation
>>>>> Employee).
>>>>> Personally I've been the editor of my college newspaper and am familiar
>>>>> with
>>>>> explaining Sugar internals in a non-technical way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will gladly step aside to let a better writer take my spot;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funding - Between $500 - $1250 per person.
>>>>>> I'll do the leg work, but cold calls from dfarning won't be worth
>>>>>> much;(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Talking to book publishers-- Is FM interested in going that direction?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about setting a tentative date for Aug 16-23?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would still like to consider *some* event sooner with the expectation
>>>>> of
>>>>> getting it into the 8.2 build.
>>>>>
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>>>>
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