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Hi, Jatin<br>
<br>
Some observations:<br>
<br>
As a experiment, you could update the bundles in the test set by
adding the developers, summary and description to activity.info: <br>
<br>
developers = 'Manny, Moe, and Jack'.<br>
summary = 'A summary'<br>
description = 'A activity allowing learners to describe the universe
and give two examples.'<br>
<br>
Use the zipfile module in Python to read the activity file in the
bundle without unzipping. The xo bundles are zip files.<br>
<br>
A review system can be valuable. However, currently a set of
activities comes installed in the XO image and those users have no
access to ASLO to provide comments. So this is not as high a
priority. One goal is to enable the project to be installed on a
local school server. So a db or additions to activity.info could
make reviews available and enable users to make their own comments
to share with classmates. <br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/20/2017 12:37 AM, Jatin Dhankhar
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAD+LdAFnBLe36nVfbtJCqA2sCqczmaZ-OrCyC49BkSt-hvU3+g@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="auto">Hi,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Yes templates are very minimal for now. Here's
what I have in mind. Take a look at attached mockups and let
me know your views (found a pun in this :) ). Also I am
setting up a droplet to develop and test it in the mean time.
Right now I am thinking to use sqlite instead of postgres
along with gunicorn and supervisor. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Will share that with you soon</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
<div dir="auto">Jatin Dhankhar </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 18-Apr-2017 5:17 am, "Tony Anderson"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
<br>
Great! <br>
<br>
The path.py is a module I often use but not necessary. its
functions can also be accomplished by os. <br>
<br>
The activity template is really unformatted. Having a
working version and comparing it to ASLO should give you
ideas on how to <br>
make it more attractive and what additional data you want
to include.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<div class="m_7731592090204339401moz-cite-prefix">On
04/18/2017 03:00 AM, Jatin Dhankhar wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br>
<br>
Sorry for the delay, I got it working by installing
the 1.7 (need to change few things to get it working
it latest 1.11 version) version of Django and changing
the TEMPLATE_DIRS. I don't understand the use of
path.py, I commented out the that import since it was
not used anywhere. <br>
<br>
I handed over my laptop which was provided by
University, it will take 4-5 days for me to arrange
for a new laptop, in the meantime I am using my old
desktop
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
Jatin Dhankhar</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 6:50
AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi,<br>
<br>
I am using 1.7.7 - haven't changed for a long
time.<br>
<br>
You will probably want to add the app to your
Django project preserving your settings
especially for static files. I set up the
urls.py in the project to include <br>
the urls.py from the app. <br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<div
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416moz-cite-prefix">On
04/15/2017 02:08 AM, Jatin Dhankhar wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br>
<br>
Can you tell me which version of Django and
Python you are using? I am using the latest
stable version and some things like patterns
were removed from Django. Also the code you
sent me only contains the app aslo and not
the whole django web project ?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jatin Dhankhar</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13,
2017 at 11:24 PM, Jatin Dhankhar <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com"
target="_blank">dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">At the
moment, I think you should focus
on the 25 activity test set and
getting it working with django. </span></blockquote>
</span>
<div>Okay, on it. <br>
</div>
<span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> we can
arrange to host the development
on a Sugar Labs server, it
should make both the repository
itself (</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/"
style="font-size:12.8px"
target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px">) and
the ASLO metadata directly
accessible. </span></blockquote>
</span>
<div>In the meantime we can host it on
DigitalOcean, I have credits for
DigitalOcean which I got as part of
Student pack.</div>
<span>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">My IRC
nickname is tony37. However, I
am never on #sugar (a twelve
hour time difference so the
normal participants are in bed).
Last year, Utkarsh and I met
whenever he felt the need to
discuss a technical issue in
detail. We limited the meetings
to one hour. That proved quite
productive.</span></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>Yes we can do the same. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jatin Dhankhar</div>
</div>
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class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416h5">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Apr 13, 2017 at 5:50 AM, Tony
Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Jatin<br>
<br>
At the moment, I think you
should focus on the 25
activity test set and
getting it working with
django. I find it is much
more productive to move from
one working version to
another with added
capability. If we can
arrange to host the
development on a Sugar Labs
server, it should make both
the repository itself (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://download.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>)
and the ASLO metadata
directly accessible. <br>
<br>
My IRC nickname is tony37.
However, I am never on
#sugar (a twelve hour time
difference so the normal
participants are in bed).
Last year, Utkarsh and I met
whenever he felt the need to
discuss a technical issue in
detail. We limited the
meetings to one hour. That
proved quite productive.<span
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Tony</font></span>
<div>
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<br>
<div
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-cite-prefix">On
04/13/2017 01:14 AM,
Jatin Dhankhar wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">I think we need to agree on the use of IRC. If
you want to
communicate with
members of the
community, you
must go where
they are
(#sugar). If you
want a
one-to-one
meeting on IRC
with me, I would
suggest
#sugar-newbies.
It is normally
dormant but
works well and
saves a log for
later review. It
worked well for
meetings with
Utkarsh Tiwari
during last
year's GSOC.</span></blockquote>
<div>Sure, whatever
works :). What is
your IRC nickname
?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">There are two things that you will need to have
local to the
django project.
First is the
directory </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/"
style="font-size:12.8px"
target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.o<wbr>rg</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> which has the Sugar activity bundles</span></blockquote>
<div>Do I need to
mirror the whole
setup/directory ?
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When talking
about scraping you
probably meant <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://activities.sugarlabs.o" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs.o">http://activities.sugarlabs.o</a></a><wbr>rg instead
of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.sugarlabs.o">http://download.sugarlabs.o</a><wbr>rg/</a>,
right ? <br>
Also for
scraping, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://scrapy.org/" target="_blank">Scrapy</a> seems to more
popular than
beautifulsoup ?<br>
<br>
Also a big thanks
for including
Walter in the
discussion :D</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Jatin
Dhankhar</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Apr 12, 2017
at 6:30 AM, Tony
Anderson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
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#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
<br>
I think we
need to agree
on the use of
IRC. If you
want to
communicate
with members
of the
community, you
must go where
they are
(#sugar). If
you want a
one-to-one
meeting on IRC
with me, I
would suggest
#sugar-newbies.
It is normally
dormant but
works well and
saves a log
for later
review. It
worked well
for meetings
with Utkarsh
Tiwari during
last year's
GSOC.<br>
<br>
There are two
things that
you will need
to have local
to the django
project. First
is the
directory <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://download.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
which has the
Sugar activity
bundles. The
second is the
'metadata' in
the mysql db.
For scraping,
I would
recommend
BeautifulSoup
(bs4). The
trick will be
to decide what
data we want
to capture and
add to the
json.<br>
<br>
The json
fields in
activities.json
are ones I
chose for the
minimal
system. You
may want to
include other
information
such as the
number of
downloads,
which
collections
(should be
entered as
tags in a
tag-field) and
so on. One
item I have
referred to as
flags (I
marked some as
X but don't
remember what
that meant, oh
well). The
intent is to
record the
platforms
where the
activity
works. We also
should provide
links to the
homepage,
repository
page, and
update page
(whatever that
is). I think
if you have a
working scrape
tool, the data
it collects
can be
expanded as
needed
(assuming the
tool runs in a
reasonable
time).<br>
<br>
Naturally, it
would be
easier if you
have access to
the db
directly.<span
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Tony</font></span>
<div>
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<br>
<div
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224moz-cite-prefix">On
04/12/2017
01:40 AM,
Jatin Dhankhar
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">One thing you could look at. On
activities.sugarlabs,org,
can you
determine from
Remora where
the metadata
is stored? I
assume a db.
Currently I am
thinking to
use
BeautifulSoup
to scrape the
site to get
that data, but
it would be
much easier to
access the
data directly.</span></blockquote>
As per wiki <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat</a></a><wbr>e:Remora_Server_Requirements#S<wbr>VN.2C_DB_and_app_config data
is stored in
mysql
database. I
don't have
access to the
production
server where
ASLO is
currently
running,
following
file <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://github.com/sugarl"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarl">https://github.com/sugarl</a></a><wbr>abs/aslo/blob/master/aslo/db-u<wbr>pdate.sh#L9 confirms
that data is
stored in a
mysql db.
However it
would be
interesting
and fun to
scrape the
data from live
site. I would
do that.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks
will poke
around the
code, looks to
me it's a
django app and
I have to
mount it on my
django
project,
thanks :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">If you are talking about IRC as a place to meet
Sugar
community
members, use
the freenode
#sugar. This
is probably
most active
from 8-17 EST
(UTC-5). I am
currently in
the
Philippines
which is UTC+
7. </span></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> Yes,
tried that. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitter.im" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitter.im">https://gitter.im</a></a> fits in
naturally with
Github (really
sorry for
suggesting a
new mode of
communication
everyday) 😅</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Jatin
Dhankhar</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Apr 11,
2017 at 6:14
AM, Tony
Anderson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
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#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> If you are talking about IRC as a place to meet Sugar
community
members, use
the freenode
#sugar. This
is probably
most active
from 8-17 EST
(UTC-5). I am
currently in
the
Philippines
which is UTC+
7. <br>
<br>
Localization
of Python
activities is
done by
Pootle, when
implemented by
the developer.
The developer
does something
like the
following:<br>
<br>
from
gettext import
gettext as _<br>
<br>
self.copy.set_tooltip(_('Copy'<wbr>))<br>
<br>
In this way,
all text
displayed is
taken from a
po file based
on the locale
(e.g. en.po or
hi.po). This
is a
simplification
as the actual
file is
compressed:
en.mo, hi.mo.
These files
are in the
activity
bundle. The
detail is that
when a new
version is
released,
there is a
master file:
Paint.pot from
which the
local language
files are
built. This
needs to be
submitted to <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>
which
maintains a
copy. However,
then the
localized
version needs
to be added
back to the
bundle.
However, the
localizations
can take
months for 100
languages so
how
synchronize
the po
directory with
the activity
release is
difficult. <br>
<br>
The sugar3 vs
sugar issue is
decided. The
community
wants to move
to sugar3
(gtk3). The
problem is
that less that
20% of the
activities
have been
converted.<br>
The ones that
have been
converted are
low hanging
fruit. The
unconverted
ones may
require
intensive work
(gimp which
developed gtk
originally has
not made the
conversion). <br>
<br>
One thing you
could look at.
On
activities.sugarlabs,org,
can you
determine from
Remora where
the metadata
is stored? I
assume a db.
Currently I am
thinking to
use
BeautifulSoup
to scrape the
site to get
that data, but
it would be
much easier to
access the
data directly.<br>
<br>
Yesterday
afternoon, the
ISP restored
service. Last
time it died
after two
days, but I am
keeping my
fingers
crossed. I am
attaching the
django stuff.<span
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color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Tony</font></span>
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<br>
<div
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942moz-cite-prefix">On
04/11/2017
01:36 AM,
Jatin Dhankhar
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Tony,</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px
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solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Normally, we use </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a></a><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>or
on freenode:
sugar-meeting
or
sugar-newbies.
These are
logged sites
so that there
is a record.
The second is
more
appropriate
since
sugar-meeting
is used for
SLOB meetings
and the like.
The real
problem with
IRC is time
zones. Email
has the
advantage that
either party
can send or
receive at any
time. Last
year with a
GSOC mentee we
used
sugar-newbies
by arranging a
specific
meeting time
in advance. </span></blockquote>
<div>Yes, that
is correct,
main issue in
communication
barrier is due
to timezone
issues. Since
most of the
people are
familiar and
are available
on IRC, it's
seems to be
the primary
channel of
communication
along with
mailing lists
and email. But
since you said
we can use
anything else,
giving Slack a
try won't hurt
(if issue is
about not
using closed
source
software then
IRC is fine,
or we can try <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://about.mattermost.com/"
target="_blank">Mattermost</a>).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
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solid
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style="font-size:12.8px"> Another part of the process is how to update '</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/"
style="font-size:12.8px"
target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px">'
with the
corresponding
POT file to
enable
localization.
We can get
help from
Chris Leonard
on this. </span></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not
aware on how
localization
works. Do we
need to
download
relevant files
and bundle
them with the
acitvity
before making
it available
on ASLO ? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
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style="margin:0px
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solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">I have my Django version available - but the
internet
problems here
are still
unresolved.
The technician
is supposed to
make another
visit today to
see what is
wrong with our
connection.
Let me know if
and when you
think this
will be useful
to you.</span></blockquote>
<div>Let me
know when your
connection is
stable and I
would start.</div>
<div> What
are the
things you
need me to do
in the
meantime ? </div>
<div><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
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style="margin:0px
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solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">One open issue is sugar3 vs sugar. Currently
two versions
of Sugar are
released. The
sugar version
supports gtk
while sugar3
supports gtk3.
Unfortunately,
gtk3 was
developed to
be totally
incompatible
with gtk. For
example,
incorporation
of one gtk3
feature
requires that
all direct and
indirect
references to
gtk be removed
or the
activity will
throw an
exception.
Several of the
gtk3
conversions
failed to meet
this test and
so fail. The
issue is
whether
curated
activities be
limited to
ones converted
to gtk3. The
positive is
that Sugar
could revert
to releasing
and
maintaining
only a single
version. The
downside is
that 100 or
more
activities
will no longer
be available.
Specifically,
in our
implementation
of ASLO, we
need to show
which versions
of an activity
work on which
versions of
Sugar (e.g.
i86, arm,
amd64, sugar
or sugar3, and
so on). We
also need to
show which
ones support
localization.
There are many
English
activities and
many Spanish
activities
that make no
provision for
localization.
Luckily there
are many that
have no
language
component.
However, for
many of these,
some kind of
help is needed
to convey the
way the
activity
works. </span></blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3e3q8n/is_there_a_technical_reason_why_gtk3_is_better/"
target="_blank">Some people believe GTK3 is slightly better</a> and I
think GTK3
will stay but
that should be
asked in
community and
voted upon and
taking in
considerations
cost of
development
and porting,
only a
discussion
will help in
this one.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
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solid
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style="font-size:12.8px">You are wading into a deep and vast body of
water!</span></blockquote>
<div>As long
as I have
something to
hold onto, I
will not drown
😅 </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jatin
Dhankhar</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Mon, Apr 10,
2017 at 9:11
AM, Tony
Anderson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
<br>
Normally, we
use <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a></a> or on freenode:
sugar-meeting
or
sugar-newbies.
These are
logged sites
so that there
is a record.
The second is
more
appropriate
since
sugar-meeting
is used for
SLOB meetings
and the like.
The real
problem with
IRC is time
zones. Email
has the
advantage that
either party
can send or
receive at any
time. Last
year with a
GSOC mentee we
used
sugar-newbies
by arranging a
specific
meeting time
in advance. <br>
<br>
I haven't
heard from
Walter, but my
preference
would be to
use the
Sugarlabs
server since
the content is
largely
already there
and it would
be easier to
make it the
official site
if that were
decided. So in
the short run,
I think you
should do
whatever is
best for your
own
development
process. <br>
<br>
I am not sure
how CI fits
into this. If
the activity
development is
done on
GitHub, then
the deployment
model is to
run setup.py
to create an
xo bundle and
then copy that
bundle to the
appropriate
location in
the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
tree. Assuming
the update
results from a
PR, the
deployer would
need to update
the activity
information on
ASLO
appropriately.
However, that
process
depends on
where that
data
(metadata) is
stored.
Another part
of the process
is how to
update '<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>'
with the
corresponding
POT file to
enable
localization.
We can get
help from
Chris Leonard
on this. <br>
<br>
I have my
Django version
available -
but the
internet
problems here
are still
unresolved.
The technician
is supposed to
make another
visit today to
see what is
wrong with our
connection.
Let me know if
and when you
think this
will be useful
to you.<br>
<br>
I have now
tested most of
the activities
(~400). I was
optimistic in
the number
that work out
of the box.
However, a
part of this
is running
them in the
Ubuntu version
of Sugar
(amd64). There
are many
activities
which launch
object code
(mostly c)
which is
dependent on
the
architecture.
I am now
trying to
repeat the
tests on an
XO-1.75. One
issue on
Ubuntu is that
many
activities
assume a
1200x900
screen and so
on a 1024X768
screen
overflow. This
makes some of
the games
unusable since
part of the
controls are
off the
screen.
Because of the
internet
problems, the
untested
activities
tend to be new
ones since I
was using my
local
repository
which is a
snapshot taken
several months
ago. The other
group are the
GCompris
activities
(about 70). <br>
<br>
My intent is
to build a
'curated'
repository of
activities
known to work
and be usable
on the XO and
on Ubuntu (or
such other
platform that
Sugar may
choose to
support). Most
of the
currently not
work
activities
have software
dependencies
no longer
included in
the current
Sugar release.
So the curated
library will
grow as
activities are
repaired over
time. <br>
<br>
One open issue
is sugar3 vs
sugar.
Currently two
versions of
Sugar are
released. The
sugar version
supports gtk
while sugar3
supports gtk3.
Unfortunately,
gtk3 was
developed to
be totally
incompatible
with gtk. For
example,
incorporation
of one gtk3
feature
requires that
all direct and
indirect
references to
gtk be removed
or the
activity will
throw an
exception.
Several of the
gtk3
conversions
failed to meet
this test and
so fail. The
issue is
whether
curated
activities be
limited to
ones converted
to gtk3. The
positive is
that Sugar
could revert
to releasing
and
maintaining
only a single
version. The
downside is
that 100 or
more
activities
will no longer
be available.
Specifically,
in our
implementation
of ASLO, we
need to show
which versions
of an activity
work on which
versions of
Sugar (e.g.
i86, arm,
amd64, sugar
or sugar3, and
so on). We
also need to
show which
ones support
localization.
There are many
English
activities and
many Spanish
activities
that make no
provision for
localization.
Luckily there
are many that
have no
language
component.
However, for
many of these,
some kind of
help is needed
to convey the
way the
activity
works. <br>
<br>
You are wading
into a deep
and vast body
of water!<span
class="m_7731592090204339401m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Tony</font></span>
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04/10/2017
12:00 AM,
Jatin Dhankhar
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div>Sorry for
the delay. I
went through
the polls
tutorials and
I think I am
getting hang
of Django. I
have one query
that is out of
context, what
is your IRC
setup ? IRC
doesn't allow
message to be
delivered or
stored once
either party
is offline,
people login
through a
external
server for
IRC's to
maintain their
availability
in a channel.
May I suggest
something like
Slack or Flock
for
communication.
IRC is good
for quick and
fast
connection but
Slack and
alternatives
allow easy
communication.
(Just a
suggestion,
though)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Should I
deploy the
same polls app
on
DigitalOcean
along with CI
pipeline and
branching
model in the
meantime with
code hosted on
Github ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jatin
Dhankhar</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Sat, Apr 8,
2017 at 6:28
AM, Tony
Anderson <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_7731592090204339401moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
<br>
I abbreviated
this thread
because I am
getting
complaints
from the list
that the
emails are too
long.<br>
<br>
Yesterday, I
was able to
complete a set
of 25
activities to
use as a test
base. The
Django app now
has two views.
First is a
display of all
of the <br>
activities
with the icon
and name. A
link for each
opens the full
activity page.
The data for
the views is
in a file
which is a
list of jsons,
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