<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    I get the following messages when trying to create a new repository
    in sugarlabs:<br>
    <br>
    You don’t appear to have permission to create repositories for this
    organization. Sorry about that.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is by design. Only members can create repositories on the project.</div><div><br></div><div>Quoting from <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/contributing.md">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/contributing.md</a></div><div><br></div><div>"For new activities, make a new repository in your GitHub account, put the source code in it, then ask the systems@ list to move it to the sugarlabs organisation."</div><div><br></div><div>You can also of course ask to join the sugarlabs project on GitHub.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-cite-prefix">On 04/20/2017 03:56 AM, Samuel Cantero
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Tony
            Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Walter<br>
                <br>
                We haven't heard from Sam C. <br>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Hi everyone! I'm sorry I haven't replied before. I have
              been very busy these days. I don't know much about ASLO
              architecture. I just have helped to keep it working.
              Aleksey is the correct guy here.</div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                I am thinking that rather than keep the metadata
                regarding Sugar activities, it might be better to
                include it in <a href="http://activity.info" target="_blank">activity.info</a>
                (e.g. developers, summary, description, what works,
                release notes). This would enable ASLO to generate its
                screens from the bundle. <br>
                <br>
                Jatin now has a working minimal prototype of the Django
                version. It would be helpful if it were on the Sugar
                servers supporting ASLO.<br>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>We can configure a dev environment in our server and
              enable CI. It would be good to keep main repo in GitHub,
              inside sugarlabs organization. This will give us more
              chance to encourage other people to help. Where is the
              prototype right now? I would like to take a look.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                I would like to add some activities from ASLO to the
                github repository. Currently I am a 'member'. Is that
                sufficient to enable adding a new activity?<br>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Try and tell me.</div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                I have posted issues to each of the activities I tested
                on the github/sugarlabs. Several of the activities can
                be fixed by simple code changes. More importantly, some
                order is needed in the assignment of version numbers and
                releasing the updated activities to ASLO. While I am a
                developer on ASLO, I don't have the ability to release
                new versions of activities in general.  </div>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                I would appreciate your help in setting up the
                authorizations needed. </div>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                <br>
                Tony
                <div>
                  <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072h5"><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-cite-prefix">On
                      04/13/2017 01:40 AM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div dir="ltr">Let's try to get Sam C., who
                        currently maintains ASLO into the loop. I think
                        he'll have lots of good advice for us.
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>regards.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>-walter</div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at
                          1:14 PM, Jatin Dhankhar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com" target="_blank">dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div dir="ltr">Hi,<span>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I think we
                                    need to agree on the use of IRC. If
                                    you want to communicate with members
                                    of the community, you must go where
                                    they are (#sugar). If you want a
                                    one-to-one meeting on IRC with me, I
                                    would suggest #sugar-newbies. It is
                                    normally dormant but works well and
                                    saves a log for later review. It
                                    worked well for meetings with
                                    Utkarsh Tiwari during last year's
                                    GSOC.</span></blockquote>
                              </span>
                              <div>Sure, whatever works :). What is your
                                IRC nickname ?</div>
                              <span>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">There are
                                    two things that you will need to
                                    have local to the django project.
                                    First is the directory </span><a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.o<wbr>rg</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> which has
                                    the Sugar activity bundles</span></blockquote>
                              </span>
                              <div>Do I need to mirror the whole
                                setup/directory ?  <br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>When talking about scraping you
                                probably meant  <a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs" target="_blank">http://activities.sugarlabs</a>.o<wbr>rg instead

                                of <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://download.sugarlabs.o<wbr>rg/</a>,
                                right ? <br>
                                Also for scraping, <a href="https://scrapy.org/" target="_blank">Scrapy</a> seems to
                                more popular than beautifulsoup ?<br>
                                <br>
                                Also a big thanks for including Walter
                                in the discussion :D</div>
                              <span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>- Jatin Dhankhar</div>
                                  <div> </div>
                                </font></span></div>
                            <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069HOEnZb">
                              <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069h5">
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr
                                    12, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I think we need to agree on the
                                        use of IRC. If you want to
                                        communicate with members of the
                                        community, you must go where
                                        they are (#sugar). If you want a
                                        one-to-one meeting on IRC with
                                        me, I would suggest
                                        #sugar-newbies. It is normally
                                        dormant but works well and saves
                                        a log for later review. It
                                        worked well for meetings with
                                        Utkarsh Tiwari during last
                                        year's GSOC.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        There are two things that you
                                        will need to have local to the
                                        django project. First is the
                                        directory <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                        which has the Sugar activity
                                        bundles. The second is the
                                        'metadata' in the mysql db. For
                                        scraping, I would recommend
                                        BeautifulSoup (bs4). The trick
                                        will be to decide what data we
                                        want to capture and add to the
                                        json.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        The json fields in
                                        activities.json are ones I chose
                                        for the minimal system. You may
                                        want to include other
                                        information such as the number
                                        of downloads, which collections
                                        (should be entered as tags in a
                                        tag-field) and so on. One item I
                                        have referred to as flags (I
                                        marked some as X but don't
                                        remember what that meant, oh
                                        well). The intent is to record
                                        the platforms where the activity
                                        works. We also should provide
                                        links to the homepage,
                                        repository page, and update page
                                        (whatever that is). I think if
                                        you have a working scrape tool,
                                        the data it collects can be
                                        expanded as needed (assuming the
                                        tool runs in a reasonable time).<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Naturally, it would be easier if
                                        you have access to the db
                                        directly.<span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            Tony</font></span>
                                        <div>
                                          <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501h5"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224moz-cite-prefix">On

                                              04/12/2017 01:40 AM, Jatin
                                              Dhankhar wrote:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">One thing you could look at. On
                                                    activities.sugarlabs,org,
                                                    can you determine
                                                    from Remora where
                                                    the metadata is
                                                    stored? I assume a
                                                    db. Currently I am
                                                    thinking to use
                                                    BeautifulSoup to
                                                    scrape the site to
                                                    get that data, but
                                                    it would be much
                                                    easier to access the
                                                    data directly.</span></blockquote>
                                                As per wiki <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora_Server_Requirements#SVN.2C_DB_and_app_config" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat</a><wbr>e:Remora_Server_Requirements#S<wbr>VN.2C_DB_and_app_config data


                                                is stored in mysql
                                                database. I don't have
                                                access to the production
                                                server where ASLO is
                                                currently running,
                                                following file <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo/blob/master/aslo/db-update.sh#L9" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarl" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarl</a><wbr>abs/aslo/blob/master/aslo/db-u<wbr>pdate.sh#L9 confirms


                                                that data is stored in a
                                                mysql db. However it
                                                would be interesting and
                                                fun to scrape the data
                                                from live site. I would
                                                do that.<br>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Thanks will poke
                                                  around the code, looks
                                                  to me it's a django
                                                  app and I have to
                                                  mount it on my django
                                                  project, thanks :)</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">If you are talking about IRC as a place to meet
                                                    Sugar community
                                                    members, use the
                                                    freenode #sugar.
                                                    This is probably
                                                    most active from
                                                    8-17 EST (UTC-5). I
                                                    am currently in the
                                                    Philippines which is
                                                    UTC+ 7. </span></blockquote>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div> Yes, tried that.  <a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitter.im" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitter.im" target="_blank">https://gitter.im</a> fits in
                                                  naturally with Github
                                                  (really sorry for
                                                  suggesting a new mode
                                                  of communication
                                                  everyday) 😅</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>- Jatin Dhankhar</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at
                                                  6:14 AM, Tony Anderson
                                                  <span dir="ltr"><<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                                      If you are talking
                                                      about IRC as a
                                                      place to meet
                                                      Sugar community
                                                      members, use the
                                                      freenode #sugar.
                                                      This is probably
                                                      most active from
                                                      8-17 EST (UTC-5).
                                                      I am currently in
                                                      the Philippines
                                                      which is UTC+ 7. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Localization of
                                                      Python activities
                                                      is done by Pootle,
                                                      when implemented
                                                      by the developer.
                                                      The developer does
                                                      something like the
                                                      following:<br>
                                                              <br>
                                                              from
                                                      gettext import
                                                      gettext as _<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                             
                                                      self.copy.set_tooltip(_('Copy'<wbr>))<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      In this way, all
                                                      text displayed is
                                                      taken from a po
                                                      file based on the
                                                      locale (e.g. en.po
                                                      or hi.po). This is
                                                      a simplification
                                                      as the actual file
                                                      is compressed:
                                                      en.mo, hi.mo.
                                                      These files are in
                                                      the activity
                                                      bundle. The detail
                                                      is that when a new
                                                      version is
                                                      released, there is
                                                      a master file:
                                                      Paint.pot from
                                                      which the local
                                                      language files are
                                                      built. This needs
                                                      to be submitted to
                                                      <a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                                      which maintains a
                                                      copy. However,
                                                      then the localized
                                                      version needs to
                                                      be added back to
                                                      the bundle.
                                                      However, the
                                                      localizations can
                                                      take months for
                                                      100 languages so
                                                      how synchronize
                                                      the po directory
                                                      with the activity
                                                      release is
                                                      difficult. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      The sugar3 vs
                                                      sugar issue is
                                                      decided. The
                                                      community wants to
                                                      move to sugar3
                                                      (gtk3). The
                                                      problem is that
                                                      less that 20% of
                                                      the activities
                                                      have been
                                                      converted.<br>
                                                      The ones that have
                                                      been converted are
                                                      low hanging fruit.
                                                      The unconverted
                                                      ones may require
                                                      intensive work
                                                      (gimp which
                                                      developed gtk
                                                      originally has not
                                                      made the
                                                      conversion). <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      One thing you
                                                      could look at. On
                                                      activities.sugarlabs,org,
                                                      can you determine
                                                      from Remora where
                                                      the metadata is
                                                      stored? I assume a
                                                      db. Currently I am
                                                      thinking to use
                                                      BeautifulSoup to
                                                      scrape the site to
                                                      get that data, but
                                                      it would be much
                                                      easier to access
                                                      the data directly.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Yesterday
                                                      afternoon, the ISP
                                                      restored service.
                                                      Last time it died
                                                      after two days,
                                                      but I am keeping
                                                      my fingers
                                                      crossed. I am
                                                      attaching the
                                                      django stuff.<span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tony</font></span>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224h5"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942moz-cite-prefix">On


                                                          04/11/2017
                                                          01:36 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Hi Tony,</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Normally, we use </span><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>or
                                                          on freenode:
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          or
                                                          sugar-newbies.
                                                          These are
                                                          logged sites
                                                          so that there
                                                          is a record.
                                                          The second is
                                                          more
                                                          appropriate
                                                          since
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          is used for
                                                          SLOB meetings
                                                          and the like.
                                                          The real
                                                          problem with
                                                          IRC is time
                                                          zones. Email
                                                          has the
                                                          advantage that
                                                          either party
                                                          can send or
                                                          receive at any
                                                          time. Last
                                                          year with a
                                                          GSOC mentee we
                                                          used
                                                          sugar-newbies
                                                          by arranging a
                                                          specific
                                                          meeting time
                                                          in advance. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>Yes, that
                                                          is correct,
                                                          main issue in
                                                          communication
                                                          barrier is due
                                                          to timezone
                                                          issues. Since
                                                          most of the
                                                          people are
                                                          familiar and
                                                          are available
                                                          on IRC, it's
                                                          seems to be
                                                          the primary
                                                          channel of
                                                          communication
                                                          along with
                                                          mailing lists
                                                          and email. But
                                                          since you said
                                                          we can use
                                                          anything else,
                                                          giving Slack a
                                                          try won't hurt
                                                          (if issue is
                                                          about not
                                                          using closed
                                                          source
                                                          software then
                                                          IRC is fine,
                                                          or we can try <a href="https://about.mattermost.com/" target="_blank">Mattermost</a>).</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> Another part of the process is how to update '</span><a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">'
                                                          with the
                                                          corresponding
                                                          POT file to
                                                          enable
                                                          localization.
                                                          We can get
                                                          help from
                                                          Chris Leonard
                                                          on this. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am not
                                                          aware on how
                                                          localization
                                                          works. Do we
                                                          need to
                                                          download
                                                          relevant files
                                                          and bundle
                                                          them with the
                                                          acitvity
                                                          before making
                                                          it available
                                                          on ASLO ? </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have my Django version available - but the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems here
                                                          are still
                                                          unresolved.
                                                          The technician
                                                          is supposed to
                                                          make another
                                                          visit today to
                                                          see what is
                                                          wrong with our
                                                          connection.
                                                          Let me know if
                                                          and when you
                                                          think this
                                                          will be useful
                                                          to you.</span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>Let me
                                                          know when your
                                                          connection is
                                                          stable and I
                                                          would start.</div>
                                                          <div> What
                                                           are the
                                                          things you
                                                          need me to do
                                                          in the
                                                          meantime ? </div>
                                                          <div><br style="font-size:12.8px">
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">One open issue is sugar3 vs sugar. Currently
                                                          two versions
                                                          of Sugar are
                                                          released. The
                                                          sugar version
                                                          supports gtk
                                                          while sugar3
                                                          supports gtk3.
                                                          Unfortunately,
                                                          gtk3 was
                                                          developed to
                                                          be totally
                                                          incompatible
                                                          with gtk. For
                                                          example,
                                                          incorporation
                                                          of one gtk3
                                                          feature
                                                          requires that
                                                          all direct and
                                                          indirect
                                                          references to
                                                          gtk be removed
                                                          or the
                                                          activity will
                                                          throw an
                                                          exception.
                                                          Several of the
                                                          gtk3
                                                          conversions
                                                          failed to meet
                                                          this test and
                                                          so fail. The
                                                          issue is
                                                          whether
                                                          curated
                                                          activities be
                                                          limited to
                                                          ones converted
                                                          to gtk3. The
                                                          positive is
                                                          that Sugar
                                                          could revert
                                                          to releasing
                                                          and
                                                          maintaining
                                                          only a single
                                                          version. The
                                                          downside is
                                                          that 100 or
                                                          more
                                                          activities
                                                          will no longer
                                                          be available.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          in our
                                                          implementation
                                                          of ASLO, we
                                                          need to show
                                                          which versions
                                                          of an activity
                                                          work on which
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar (e.g.
                                                          i86, arm,
                                                          amd64, sugar
                                                          or sugar3, and
                                                          so on). We
                                                          also need to
                                                          show which
                                                          ones support
                                                          localization.
                                                          There are many
                                                          English
                                                          activities and
                                                          many Spanish
                                                          activities
                                                          that make no
                                                          provision for
                                                          localization.
                                                          Luckily there
                                                          are many that
                                                          have no
                                                          language
                                                          component.
                                                          However, for
                                                          many of these,
                                                          some kind of
                                                          help is needed
                                                          to convey the
                                                          way the
                                                          activity
                                                          works. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3e3q8n/is_there_a_technical_reason_why_gtk3_is_better/" target="_blank">Some people believe GTK3 is slightly better</a> and I
                                                          think GTK3
                                                          will stay but
                                                          that should be
                                                          asked in
                                                          community and
                                                          voted upon and
                                                          taking in
                                                          considerations
                                                          cost of
                                                          development
                                                          and porting,
                                                          only a
                                                          discussion
                                                          will help in
                                                          this one.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">You are wading into a deep and vast body of
                                                          water!</span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>As long
                                                          as I have
                                                          something to
                                                          hold onto, I
                                                          will not drown
                                                          😅 </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Mon, Apr 10,
                                                          2017 at 9:11
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Normally, we
                                                          use <a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a> or on freenode:
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          or
                                                          sugar-newbies.
                                                          These are
                                                          logged sites
                                                          so that there
                                                          is a record.
                                                          The second is
                                                          more
                                                          appropriate
                                                          since
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          is used for
                                                          SLOB meetings
                                                          and the like.
                                                          The real
                                                          problem with
                                                          IRC is time
                                                          zones. Email
                                                          has the
                                                          advantage that
                                                          either party
                                                          can send or
                                                          receive at any
                                                          time. Last
                                                          year with a
                                                          GSOC mentee we
                                                          used
                                                          sugar-newbies
                                                          by arranging a
                                                          specific
                                                          meeting time
                                                          in advance. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I haven't
                                                          heard from
                                                          Walter, but my
                                                          preference
                                                          would be to
                                                          use the
                                                          Sugarlabs
                                                          server since
                                                          the content is
                                                          largely
                                                          already there
                                                          and it would
                                                          be easier to
                                                          make it the
                                                          official site
                                                          if that were
                                                          decided. So in
                                                          the short run,
                                                          I think you
                                                          should do
                                                          whatever is
                                                          best for your
                                                          own
                                                          development
                                                          process. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am not sure
                                                          how CI fits
                                                          into this. If
                                                          the activity
                                                          development is
                                                          done on
                                                          GitHub, then
                                                          the deployment
                                                          model is to
                                                          run setup.py
                                                          to create an
                                                          xo bundle and
                                                          then copy that
                                                          bundle to the
                                                          appropriate
                                                          location in
                                                          the <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                                          tree. Assuming
                                                          the update
                                                          results from a
                                                          PR, the
                                                          deployer would
                                                          need to update
                                                          the activity
                                                          information on
                                                          ASLO
                                                          appropriately.
                                                          However, that
                                                          process
                                                          depends on
                                                          where that
                                                          data
                                                          (metadata) is
                                                          stored.
                                                          Another part
                                                          of the process
                                                          is how to
                                                          update '<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>'
                                                          with the
                                                          corresponding
                                                          POT file to
                                                          enable
                                                          localization.
                                                          We can get
                                                          help from
                                                          Chris Leonard
                                                          on this. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have my
                                                          Django version
                                                          available -
                                                          but the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems here
                                                          are still
                                                          unresolved.
                                                          The technician
                                                          is supposed to
                                                          make another
                                                          visit today to
                                                          see what is
                                                          wrong with our
                                                          connection.
                                                          Let me know if
                                                          and when you
                                                          think this
                                                          will be useful
                                                          to you.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have now
                                                          tested most of
                                                          the activities
                                                          (~400). I was
                                                          optimistic in
                                                          the number
                                                          that work out
                                                          of the box.
                                                          However, a
                                                          part of this
                                                          is running
                                                          them in the
                                                          Ubuntu version
                                                          of Sugar
                                                          (amd64). There
                                                          are many
                                                          activities
                                                          which launch
                                                          object code
                                                          (mostly c)
                                                          which is
                                                          dependent on
                                                          the
                                                          architecture.
                                                          I am now
                                                          trying to
                                                          repeat the
                                                          tests on an
                                                          XO-1.75. One
                                                          issue on
                                                          Ubuntu is that
                                                          many
                                                          activities
                                                          assume a
                                                          1200x900
                                                          screen and so
                                                          on a 1024X768
                                                          screen
                                                          overflow. This
                                                          makes some of
                                                          the games
                                                          unusable since
                                                          part of the
                                                          controls are
                                                          off the
                                                          screen.
                                                          Because of the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems, the
                                                          untested
                                                          activities
                                                          tend to be new
                                                          ones since I
                                                          was using my
                                                          local
                                                          repository
                                                          which is a
                                                          snapshot taken
                                                          several months
                                                          ago. The other
                                                          group are the
                                                          GCompris
                                                          activities
                                                          (about 70). <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My intent is
                                                          to build a
                                                          'curated'
                                                          repository of
                                                          activities
                                                          known to work
                                                          and be usable
                                                          on the XO and
                                                          on Ubuntu (or
                                                          such other
                                                          platform that
                                                          Sugar may
                                                          choose to
                                                          support). Most
                                                          of the
                                                          currently not
                                                          work
                                                          activities
                                                          have software
                                                          dependencies
                                                          no longer
                                                          included in
                                                          the current
                                                          Sugar release.
                                                          So the curated
                                                          library will
                                                          grow as
                                                          activities are
                                                          repaired over
                                                          time. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One open issue
                                                          is sugar3 vs
                                                          sugar.
                                                          Currently two
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar are
                                                          released. The
                                                          sugar version
                                                          supports gtk
                                                          while sugar3
                                                          supports gtk3.
                                                          Unfortunately,
                                                          gtk3 was
                                                          developed to
                                                          be totally
                                                          incompatible
                                                          with gtk. For
                                                          example,
                                                          incorporation
                                                          of one gtk3
                                                          feature
                                                          requires that
                                                          all direct and
                                                          indirect
                                                          references to
                                                          gtk be removed
                                                          or the
                                                          activity will
                                                          throw an
                                                          exception.
                                                          Several of the
                                                          gtk3
                                                          conversions
                                                          failed to meet
                                                          this test and
                                                          so fail. The
                                                          issue is
                                                          whether
                                                          curated
                                                          activities be
                                                          limited to
                                                          ones converted
                                                          to gtk3. The
                                                          positive is
                                                          that Sugar
                                                          could revert
                                                          to releasing
                                                          and
                                                          maintaining
                                                          only a single
                                                          version. The
                                                          downside is
                                                          that 100 or
                                                          more
                                                          activities
                                                          will no longer
                                                          be available.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          in our
                                                          implementation
                                                          of ASLO, we
                                                          need to show
                                                          which versions
                                                          of an activity
                                                          work on which
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar (e.g.
                                                          i86, arm,
                                                          amd64, sugar
                                                          or sugar3, and
                                                          so on). We
                                                          also need to
                                                          show which
                                                          ones support
                                                          localization.
                                                          There are many
                                                          English
                                                          activities and
                                                          many Spanish
                                                          activities
                                                          that make no
                                                          provision for
                                                          localization.
                                                          Luckily there
                                                          are many that
                                                          have no
                                                          language
                                                          component.
                                                          However, for
                                                          many of these,
                                                          some kind of
                                                          help is needed
                                                          to convey the
                                                          way the
                                                          activity
                                                          works. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          You are wading
                                                          into a deep
                                                          and vast body
                                                          of water!<span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tony</font></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942h5"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942m_2297804042014618975moz-cite-prefix">On



                                                          04/10/2017
                                                          12:00 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi,


                                                          <div>Sorry for
                                                          the delay. I
                                                          went through
                                                          the polls
                                                          tutorials and
                                                          I think I am
                                                          getting hang
                                                          of Django. I
                                                          have one query
                                                          that is out of
                                                          context, what
                                                          is your IRC
                                                          setup ? IRC
                                                          doesn't allow
                                                          message to be
                                                          delivered or
                                                          stored once
                                                          either party
                                                          is offline,
                                                          people login
                                                          through a
                                                          external
                                                          server for
                                                          IRC's to
                                                          maintain their
                                                          availability
                                                          in a channel.
                                                          May I suggest
                                                          something like
                                                          Slack or Flock
                                                          for
                                                          communication.
                                                          IRC is good
                                                          for quick and
                                                          fast
                                                          connection but
                                                          Slack and
                                                          alternatives
                                                          allow easy
                                                          communication.
                                                          (Just a
                                                          suggestion,
                                                          though)</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Should I
                                                           deploy the
                                                          same polls app
                                                          on
                                                          DigitalOcean
                                                          along with CI
                                                          pipeline and
                                                          branching
                                                          model in the
                                                          meantime with
                                                          code hosted on
                                                          Github ?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Sat, Apr 8,
                                                          2017 at 6:28
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I abbreviated
                                                          this thread
                                                          because I am
                                                          getting
                                                          complaints
                                                          from the list
                                                          that the
                                                          emails are too
                                                          long.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Yesterday, I
                                                          was able to
                                                          complete a set
                                                          of 25
                                                          activities to
                                                          use as a test
                                                          base. The
                                                          Django app now
                                                          has two views.
                                                          First is a
                                                          display of all
                                                          of the <br>
                                                          activities
                                                          with the icon
                                                          and name. A
                                                          link for each
                                                          opens the full
                                                          activity page.
                                                          The data for
                                                          the views is
                                                          in a file
                                                          which is a
                                                          list of jsons,
                                                          one json per
                                                          line. <br>
                                                          The  views.py
                                                          reads this
                                                          file and
                                                          builds the
                                                          view from the
                                                          jsons. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So the app
                                                          consists of:<br>
                                                              urls.py<br>
                                                              views.py<br>
                                                              templates/<br>
                                                                 
                                                          base.html<br>
                                                                 
                                                          list.html<br>
                                                                 
                                                          activity.html<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          with the data:<br>
                                                                 
                                                          fixtures/activities.json
                                                          <br>
                                                                  icons/<br>
                                                                  xo/<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The icons
                                                          directory has
                                                          the activity
                                                          icons (*.svg)<br>
                                                          The xo
                                                          directory has
                                                          the activity
                                                          bundles (*.xo)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Meanwhile, I
                                                          am having more
                                                          troubles with
                                                          the ISP (a new
                                                          one). When
                                                          that gets
                                                          resolved, I
                                                          should be able
                                                          to send the
                                                          above to you.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have also
                                                          mentioned our
                                                          dialog to
                                                          Walter Bender
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that you could
                                                          set up your
                                                          working model
                                                          as <a href="http://activities3.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">activities3.sugarlabs.org</a>.
                                                          This would
                                                          give you a
                                                          permanent
                                                          place to do
                                                          the
                                                          development
                                                          and make your
                                                          project
                                                          visible to the
                                                          community so
                                                          that we can
                                                          obtain
                                                          feedback. I
                                                          aslo suggested
                                                          that the
                                                          project
                                                          repository
                                                          could be
                                                          placed on
                                                          GitHub so that
                                                          again the
                                                          community can
                                                          comment and
                                                          potentially
                                                          contribute.<span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942m_2297804042014618975HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tony</font></span><span><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942m_2297804042014618975m_-2022019510050925157moz-cite-prefix">On




                                                          04/07/2017
                                                          12:23 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi,


                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am
                                                          setting up
                                                          Django now and
                                                          going through
                                                          some
                                                          tutorials. I
                                                          will setup the
                                                          code with a
                                                          very basic and
                                                          barebones
                                                          version of
                                                          what we want
                                                          to achieve and
                                                          put it in a
                                                          private repo.
                                                          We can even
                                                          host it
                                                          online, since
                                                          I have some
                                                          DigitalOcean
                                                          credit left.
                                                          Will keep you
                                                          posted. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks.</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Thu, Apr 6,
                                                          2017 at 7:11
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In setting up
                                                          Django, I
                                                          think you will
                                                          do it on your
                                                          computer not
                                                          on a separate
                                                          server. Django
                                                          handles that
                                                          through its
                                                          own server and
                                                          has sgqlite as
                                                          a database
                                                          built-in. A
                                                          good first
                                                          start would be
                                                          to set up the
                                                          tutorial app (<a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.djangoproject.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.djangoproject.com" target="_blank">https://www.djangoproject.com</a><wbr>/).






                                                          Essentially
                                                          you will need
                                                          to install
                                                          django and
                                                          then set up
                                                          the tutorial
                                                          app 'poll'.
                                                          Working
                                                          through this
                                                          tutorial will
                                                          help a lot
                                                          later on. The
                                                          key point is
                                                          that after
                                                          initial setup,
                                                          there are
                                                          three
                                                          important
                                                          elements:
                                                          url.py which
                                                          defines the
                                                          urls to access
                                                          the
                                                          application,
                                                          views.py which
                                                          is the python
                                                          code that
                                                          responds to a
                                                          request by
                                                          accessing the
                                                          db and
                                                          delivering the
                                                          relevant
                                                          information to
                                                          a template.
                                                          The template
                                                          is an html
                                                          file with
                                                          variables of
                                                          the form {{ <a href="http://activity.name" target="_blank">activity.name</a>
                                                          }}
                                                          transferring
                                                          information
                                                          from the view
                                                          to the
                                                          template.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          What I have is
                                                          an
                                                          application:
                                                          aslo. Once you
                                                          have Django
                                                          installed and
                                                          have run the
                                                          tutorial app
                                                          through
                                                          Django's
                                                          server, you'll
                                                          be ready.
                                                          Essentially,
                                                          you will only
                                                          need to add
                                                          aslo as a
                                                          second app in
                                                          the settings.
                                                          One possible
                                                          confusion is
                                                          that DJango
                                                          lives in a
                                                          project -
                                                          essentially a
                                                          directory
                                                          containing its
                                                          manage.py
                                                          admin
                                                          interface. In
                                                          the directory
                                                          is another
                                                          directory of
                                                          the same name
                                                          with the
                                                          settings.py
                                                          and url.py.
                                                          The poll app
                                                          is a directory
                                                          in the
                                                          top-level
                                                          alongside the
                                                          inner
                                                          directory with
                                                          the project
                                                          name.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For example,
                                                          my project is
                                                          schoolsite. So
                                                          my setup looks
                                                          like:<br>
                                                          <br>
/library/schoolsite/schoolsite<br>
/library/schoolsite/aslo<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Meanwhile my
                                                          code links
                                                          directly to an
                                                          activity page
                                                          with no index.
                                                          I'll add an
                                                          index so the
                                                          essential
                                                          structure will
                                                          be there. I'll
                                                          also include
                                                          the 'fixtures'
                                                          to set up a 25
                                                          activity
                                                          capability.
                                                          Fixtures are
                                                          csv files from
                                                          which the
                                                          database
                                                          (metadata) can
                                                          be loaded. <br>
                                                          <span class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069m_6722767647619661501m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942m_2297804042014618975m_-2022019510050925157HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
                                                          Tony</font></span></div>
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                        <div class="gmail-m_5049279913999944072m_6307486910291391069gmail_signature">
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                              <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
                            <div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br><font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div><div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br></div></div></div>
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