<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><br>Sorry for the delay, I got it working by installing the 1.7 (need to change few things to get it working it latest 1.11 version) version of Django and changing the TEMPLATE_DIRS. I don't understand the use of path.py, I commented out the that import since it was not used anywhere. <br><br>I handed over my laptop which was provided by University, it will take 4-5 days for me to arrange for a new laptop, in the meantime I am using my old desktop<div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br>Jatin Dhankhar</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    I am using 1.7.7 - haven't changed for a long time.<br>
    <br>
    You will probably want to add the app to your Django project
    preserving your settings especially for static files. I set up the
    urls.py in the project to include <br>
    the urls.py from the app. <br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="m_1479173004874202416moz-cite-prefix">On 04/15/2017 02:08 AM, Jatin Dhankhar
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Hi,<br>
        <br>
        Can you tell me which version of Django and Python you are
        using? I am using the latest stable version and some things like
        patterns were removed from Django. Also the code you sent me
        only contains the app aslo and not the whole django web project
        ?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div>Jatin Dhankhar</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Jatin
          Dhankhar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com" target="_blank">dhankhar.jatin@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr"><span>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">At the moment, I think you
                    should focus on the 25 activity test set and getting
                    it working with django. </span></blockquote>
              </span>
              <div>Okay, on it. <br>
                 </div>
              <span>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> we can arrange to host the
                    development on a Sugar Labs server, it should make
                    both the repository itself (</span><a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">) and the ASLO metadata
                    directly accessible. </span></blockquote>
              </span>
              <div>In the meantime we can host it on DigitalOcean, I
                have credits for DigitalOcean which I got as part of
                Student pack.</div>
              <span>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">My IRC nickname is tony37.
                    However, I am never on #sugar (a twelve hour time
                    difference so the normal participants are in bed).
                    Last year, Utkarsh and I met whenever he felt the
                    need to discuss a technical issue in detail. We
                    limited the meetings to one hour. That proved quite
                    productive.</span></blockquote>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </span>
              <div>Yes we can do the same.  </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Thanks,</div>
              <div>Jatin Dhankhar</div>
            </div>
            <div class="m_1479173004874202416HOEnZb">
              <div class="m_1479173004874202416h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:50
                    AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Jatin<br>
                        <br>
                        At the moment, I think you should focus on the
                        25 activity test set and getting it working with
                        django. I find it is much more productive to
                        move from one working version to another with
                        added capability. If we can arrange to host the
                        development on a Sugar Labs server, it should
                        make both the repository itself (<a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>)
                        and the ASLO metadata directly accessible. <br>
                        <br>
                        My IRC nickname is tony37. However, I am never
                        on #sugar (a twelve hour time difference so the
                        normal participants are in bed). Last year,
                        Utkarsh and I met whenever he felt the need to
                        discuss a technical issue in detail. We limited
                        the meetings to one hour. That proved quite
                        productive.<span class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                            <br>
                            Tony</font></span>
                        <div>
                          <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659h5"><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-cite-prefix">On
                              04/13/2017 01:14 AM, Jatin Dhankhar wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div dir="ltr">Hi,
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I think we
                                    need to agree on the use of IRC. If
                                    you want to communicate with members
                                    of the community, you must go where
                                    they are (#sugar). If you want a
                                    one-to-one meeting on IRC with me, I
                                    would suggest #sugar-newbies. It is
                                    normally dormant but works well and
                                    saves a log for later review. It
                                    worked well for meetings with
                                    Utkarsh Tiwari during last year's
                                    GSOC.</span></blockquote>
                                <div>Sure, whatever works :). What is
                                  your IRC nickname ?</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">There are
                                    two things that you will need to
                                    have local to the django project.
                                    First is the directory </span><a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.o<wbr>rg</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> which has
                                    the Sugar activity bundles</span></blockquote>
                                <div>Do I need to mirror the whole
                                  setup/directory ?  <br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>When talking about scraping you
                                  probably meant  <a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://activities.sugarlabs.o" target="_blank">http://activities.sugarlabs.o</a><wbr>rg instead

                                  of <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://download.sugarlabs.o<wbr>rg/</a>,
                                  right ? <br>
                                  Also for scraping, <a href="https://scrapy.org/" target="_blank">Scrapy</a> seems to
                                  more popular than beautifulsoup ?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Also a big thanks for including Walter
                                  in the discussion :D</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>- Jatin Dhankhar</div>
                                <div> </div>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 12,
                                  2017 at 6:30 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I think we need to agree on the
                                      use of IRC. If you want to
                                      communicate with members of the
                                      community, you must go where they
                                      are (#sugar). If you want a
                                      one-to-one meeting on IRC with me,
                                      I would suggest #sugar-newbies. It
                                      is normally dormant but works well
                                      and saves a log for later review.
                                      It worked well for meetings with
                                      Utkarsh Tiwari during last year's
                                      GSOC.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      There are two things that you will
                                      need to have local to the django
                                      project. First is the directory <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                      which has the Sugar activity
                                      bundles. The second is the
                                      'metadata' in the mysql db. For
                                      scraping, I would recommend
                                      BeautifulSoup (bs4). The trick
                                      will be to decide what data we
                                      want to capture and add to the
                                      json.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The json fields in activities.json
                                      are ones I chose for the minimal
                                      system. You may want to include
                                      other information such as the
                                      number of downloads, which
                                      collections (should be entered as
                                      tags in a tag-field) and so on.
                                      One item I have referred to as
                                      flags (I marked some as X but
                                      don't remember what that meant, oh
                                      well). The intent is to record the
                                      platforms where the activity
                                      works. We also should provide
                                      links to the homepage, repository
                                      page, and update page (whatever
                                      that is). I think if you have a
                                      working scrape tool, the data it
                                      collects can be expanded as needed
                                      (assuming the tool runs in a
                                      reasonable time).<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Naturally, it would be easier if
                                      you have access to the db
                                      directly.<span class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Tony</font></span>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275h5"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224moz-cite-prefix">On

                                            04/12/2017 01:40 AM, Jatin
                                            Dhankhar wrote:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div dir="ltr">
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">One thing you could look at. On
                                                  activities.sugarlabs,org,
                                                  can you determine from
                                                  Remora where the
                                                  metadata is stored? I
                                                  assume a db. Currently
                                                  I am thinking to use
                                                  BeautifulSoup to
                                                  scrape the site to get
                                                  that data, but it
                                                  would be much easier
                                                  to access the data
                                                  directly.</span></blockquote>
                                              As per wiki <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora_Server_Requirements#SVN.2C_DB_and_app_config" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat" target="_blank">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Updat</a><wbr>e:Remora_Server_Requirements#S<wbr>VN.2C_DB_and_app_config data


                                              is stored in mysql
                                              database. I don't have
                                              access to the production
                                              server where ASLO is
                                              currently running,
                                              following file <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo/blob/master/aslo/db-update.sh#L9" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarl" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarl</a><wbr>abs/aslo/blob/master/aslo/db-u<wbr>pdate.sh#L9 confirms


                                              that data is stored in a
                                              mysql db. However it would
                                              be interesting and fun to
                                              scrape the data from live
                                              site. I would do that.<br>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thanks will poke
                                                around the code, looks
                                                to me it's a django app
                                                and I have to mount it
                                                on my django project,
                                                thanks :)</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">If you are talking about IRC as a place to meet
                                                  Sugar community
                                                  members, use the
                                                  freenode #sugar. This
                                                  is probably most
                                                  active from 8-17 EST
                                                  (UTC-5). I am
                                                  currently in the
                                                  Philippines which is
                                                  UTC+ 7. </span></blockquote>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> Yes, tried that.  <a href="https://gitter.im" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitter.im" target="_blank">https://gitter.im</a> fits in
                                                naturally with Github
                                                (really sorry for
                                                suggesting a new mode of
                                                communication
                                                everyday) 😅</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>- Jatin Dhankhar</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at
                                                6:14 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                                    If you are talking
                                                    about IRC as a place
                                                    to meet Sugar
                                                    community members,
                                                    use the freenode
                                                    #sugar. This is
                                                    probably most active
                                                    from 8-17 EST
                                                    (UTC-5). I am
                                                    currently in the
                                                    Philippines which is
                                                    UTC+ 7. <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Localization of
                                                    Python activities is
                                                    done by Pootle, when
                                                    implemented by the
                                                    developer. The
                                                    developer does
                                                    something like the
                                                    following:<br>
                                                            <br>
                                                            from gettext
                                                    import gettext as _<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                           
                                                    self.copy.set_tooltip(_('Copy'<wbr>))<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    In this way, all
                                                    text displayed is
                                                    taken from a po file
                                                    based on the locale
                                                    (e.g. en.po or
                                                    hi.po). This is a
                                                    simplification as
                                                    the actual file is
                                                    compressed: en.mo,
                                                    hi.mo. These files
                                                    are in the activity
                                                    bundle. The detail
                                                    is that when a new
                                                    version is released,
                                                    there is a master
                                                    file: Paint.pot from
                                                    which the local
                                                    language files are
                                                    built. This needs to
                                                    be submitted to <a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                                    which maintains a
                                                    copy. However, then
                                                    the localized
                                                    version needs to be
                                                    added back to the
                                                    bundle. However, the
                                                    localizations can
                                                    take months for 100
                                                    languages so how
                                                    synchronize the po
                                                    directory with the
                                                    activity release is
                                                    difficult. <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The sugar3 vs sugar
                                                    issue is decided.
                                                    The community wants
                                                    to move to sugar3
                                                    (gtk3). The problem
                                                    is that less that
                                                    20% of the
                                                    activities have been
                                                    converted.<br>
                                                    The ones that have
                                                    been converted are
                                                    low hanging fruit.
                                                    The unconverted ones
                                                    may require
                                                    intensive work (gimp
                                                    which developed gtk
                                                    originally has not
                                                    made the
                                                    conversion). <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    One thing you could
                                                    look at. On
                                                    activities.sugarlabs,org,
                                                    can you determine
                                                    from Remora where
                                                    the metadata is
                                                    stored? I assume a
                                                    db. Currently I am
                                                    thinking to use
                                                    BeautifulSoup to
                                                    scrape the site to
                                                    get that data, but
                                                    it would be much
                                                    easier to access the
                                                    data directly.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Yesterday afternoon,
                                                    the ISP restored
                                                    service. Last time
                                                    it died after two
                                                    days, but I am
                                                    keeping my fingers
                                                    crossed. I am
                                                    attaching the django
                                                    stuff.<span class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Tony</font></span>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224h5"><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942moz-cite-prefix">On


                                                          04/11/2017
                                                          01:36 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Hi Tony,</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Normally, we use </span><a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>or on freenode: sugar-meeting or
                                                          sugar-newbies.
                                                          These are
                                                          logged sites
                                                          so that there
                                                          is a record.
                                                          The second is
                                                          more
                                                          appropriate
                                                          since
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          is used for
                                                          SLOB meetings
                                                          and the like.
                                                          The real
                                                          problem with
                                                          IRC is time
                                                          zones. Email
                                                          has the
                                                          advantage that
                                                          either party
                                                          can send or
                                                          receive at any
                                                          time. Last
                                                          year with a
                                                          GSOC mentee we
                                                          used
                                                          sugar-newbies
                                                          by arranging a
                                                          specific
                                                          meeting time
                                                          in advance. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>Yes, that
                                                          is correct,
                                                          main issue in
                                                          communication
                                                          barrier is due
                                                          to timezone
                                                          issues. Since
                                                          most of the
                                                          people are
                                                          familiar and
                                                          are available
                                                          on IRC, it's
                                                          seems to be
                                                          the primary
                                                          channel of
                                                          communication
                                                          along with
                                                          mailing lists
                                                          and email. But
                                                          since you said
                                                          we can use
                                                          anything else,
                                                          giving Slack a
                                                          try won't hurt
                                                          (if issue is
                                                          about not
                                                          using closed
                                                          source
                                                          software then
                                                          IRC is fine,
                                                          or we can try <a href="https://about.mattermost.com/" target="_blank">Mattermost</a>).</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> Another part of the process is how to update '</span><a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">'
                                                          with the
                                                          corresponding
                                                          POT file to
                                                          enable
                                                          localization.
                                                          We can get
                                                          help from
                                                          Chris Leonard
                                                          on this. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am not
                                                          aware on how
                                                          localization
                                                          works. Do we
                                                          need to
                                                          download
                                                          relevant files
                                                          and bundle
                                                          them with the
                                                          acitvity
                                                          before making
                                                          it available
                                                          on ASLO ? </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have my Django version available - but the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems here
                                                          are still
                                                          unresolved.
                                                          The technician
                                                          is supposed to
                                                          make another
                                                          visit today to
                                                          see what is
                                                          wrong with our
                                                          connection.
                                                          Let me know if
                                                          and when you
                                                          think this
                                                          will be useful
                                                          to you.</span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>Let me
                                                          know when your
                                                          connection is
                                                          stable and I
                                                          would start.</div>
                                                          <div> What
                                                           are the
                                                          things you
                                                          need me to do
                                                          in the
                                                          meantime ? </div>
                                                          <div><br style="font-size:12.8px">
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">One open issue is sugar3 vs sugar. Currently
                                                          two versions
                                                          of Sugar are
                                                          released. The
                                                          sugar version
                                                          supports gtk
                                                          while sugar3
                                                          supports gtk3.
                                                          Unfortunately,
                                                          gtk3 was
                                                          developed to
                                                          be totally
                                                          incompatible
                                                          with gtk. For
                                                          example,
                                                          incorporation
                                                          of one gtk3
                                                          feature
                                                          requires that
                                                          all direct and
                                                          indirect
                                                          references to
                                                          gtk be removed
                                                          or the
                                                          activity will
                                                          throw an
                                                          exception.
                                                          Several of the
                                                          gtk3
                                                          conversions
                                                          failed to meet
                                                          this test and
                                                          so fail. The
                                                          issue is
                                                          whether
                                                          curated
                                                          activities be
                                                          limited to
                                                          ones converted
                                                          to gtk3. The
                                                          positive is
                                                          that Sugar
                                                          could revert
                                                          to releasing
                                                          and
                                                          maintaining
                                                          only a single
                                                          version. The
                                                          downside is
                                                          that 100 or
                                                          more
                                                          activities
                                                          will no longer
                                                          be available.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          in our
                                                          implementation
                                                          of ASLO, we
                                                          need to show
                                                          which versions
                                                          of an activity
                                                          work on which
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar (e.g.
                                                          i86, arm,
                                                          amd64, sugar
                                                          or sugar3, and
                                                          so on). We
                                                          also need to
                                                          show which
                                                          ones support
                                                          localization.
                                                          There are many
                                                          English
                                                          activities and
                                                          many Spanish
                                                          activities
                                                          that make no
                                                          provision for
                                                          localization.
                                                          Luckily there
                                                          are many that
                                                          have no
                                                          language
                                                          component.
                                                          However, for
                                                          many of these,
                                                          some kind of
                                                          help is needed
                                                          to convey the
                                                          way the
                                                          activity
                                                          works. </span></blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3e3q8n/is_there_a_technical_reason_why_gtk3_is_better/" target="_blank">Some people believe GTK3 is slightly better</a> and I
                                                          think GTK3
                                                          will stay but
                                                          that should be
                                                          asked in
                                                          community and
                                                          voted upon and
                                                          taking in
                                                          considerations
                                                          cost of
                                                          development
                                                          and porting,
                                                          only a
                                                          discussion
                                                          will help in
                                                          this one.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">You are wading into a deep and vast body of
                                                          water!</span></blockquote>
                                                          <div>As long
                                                          as I have
                                                          something to
                                                          hold onto, I
                                                          will not drown
                                                          😅 </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 10,
                                                          2017 at 9:11
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Normally, we
                                                          use <a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://chat.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                                          or on
                                                          freenode:
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          or
                                                          sugar-newbies.
                                                          These are
                                                          logged sites
                                                          so that there
                                                          is a record.
                                                          The second is
                                                          more
                                                          appropriate
                                                          since
                                                          sugar-meeting
                                                          is used for
                                                          SLOB meetings
                                                          and the like.
                                                          The real
                                                          problem with
                                                          IRC is time
                                                          zones. Email
                                                          has the
                                                          advantage that
                                                          either party
                                                          can send or
                                                          receive at any
                                                          time. Last
                                                          year with a
                                                          GSOC mentee we
                                                          used
                                                          sugar-newbies
                                                          by arranging a
                                                          specific
                                                          meeting time
                                                          in advance. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I haven't
                                                          heard from
                                                          Walter, but my
                                                          preference
                                                          would be to
                                                          use the
                                                          Sugarlabs
                                                          server since
                                                          the content is
                                                          largely
                                                          already there
                                                          and it would
                                                          be easier to
                                                          make it the
                                                          official site
                                                          if that were
                                                          decided. So in
                                                          the short run,
                                                          I think you
                                                          should do
                                                          whatever is
                                                          best for your
                                                          own
                                                          development
                                                          process. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am not sure
                                                          how CI fits
                                                          into this. If
                                                          the activity
                                                          development is
                                                          done on
                                                          GitHub, then
                                                          the deployment
                                                          model is to
                                                          run setup.py
                                                          to create an
                                                          xo bundle and
                                                          then copy that
                                                          bundle to the
                                                          appropriate
                                                          location in
                                                          the <a href="http://download.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                                          tree. Assuming
                                                          the update
                                                          results from a
                                                          PR, the
                                                          deployer would
                                                          need to update
                                                          the activity
                                                          information on
                                                          ASLO
                                                          appropriately.
                                                          However, that
                                                          process
                                                          depends on
                                                          where that
                                                          data
                                                          (metadata) is
                                                          stored.
                                                          Another part
                                                          of the process
                                                          is how to
                                                          update '<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a>'
                                                          with the
                                                          corresponding
                                                          POT file to
                                                          enable
                                                          localization.
                                                          We can get
                                                          help from
                                                          Chris Leonard
                                                          on this. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have my
                                                          Django version
                                                          available -
                                                          but the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems here
                                                          are still
                                                          unresolved.
                                                          The technician
                                                          is supposed to
                                                          make another
                                                          visit today to
                                                          see what is
                                                          wrong with our
                                                          connection.
                                                          Let me know if
                                                          and when you
                                                          think this
                                                          will be useful
                                                          to you.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have now
                                                          tested most of
                                                          the activities
                                                          (~400). I was
                                                          optimistic in
                                                          the number
                                                          that work out
                                                          of the box.
                                                          However, a
                                                          part of this
                                                          is running
                                                          them in the
                                                          Ubuntu version
                                                          of Sugar
                                                          (amd64). There
                                                          are many
                                                          activities
                                                          which launch
                                                          object code
                                                          (mostly c)
                                                          which is
                                                          dependent on
                                                          the
                                                          architecture.
                                                          I am now
                                                          trying to
                                                          repeat the
                                                          tests on an
                                                          XO-1.75. One
                                                          issue on
                                                          Ubuntu is that
                                                          many
                                                          activities
                                                          assume a
                                                          1200x900
                                                          screen and so
                                                          on a 1024X768
                                                          screen
                                                          overflow. This
                                                          makes some of
                                                          the games
                                                          unusable since
                                                          part of the
                                                          controls are
                                                          off the
                                                          screen.
                                                          Because of the
                                                          internet
                                                          problems, the
                                                          untested
                                                          activities
                                                          tend to be new
                                                          ones since I
                                                          was using my
                                                          local
                                                          repository
                                                          which is a
                                                          snapshot taken
                                                          several months
                                                          ago. The other
                                                          group are the
                                                          GCompris
                                                          activities
                                                          (about 70). <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My intent is
                                                          to build a
                                                          'curated'
                                                          repository of
                                                          activities
                                                          known to work
                                                          and be usable
                                                          on the XO and
                                                          on Ubuntu (or
                                                          such other
                                                          platform that
                                                          Sugar may
                                                          choose to
                                                          support). Most
                                                          of the
                                                          currently not
                                                          work
                                                          activities
                                                          have software
                                                          dependencies
                                                          no longer
                                                          included in
                                                          the current
                                                          Sugar release.
                                                          So the curated
                                                          library will
                                                          grow as
                                                          activities are
                                                          repaired over
                                                          time. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          One open issue
                                                          is sugar3 vs
                                                          sugar.
                                                          Currently two
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar are
                                                          released. The
                                                          sugar version
                                                          supports gtk
                                                          while sugar3
                                                          supports gtk3.
                                                          Unfortunately,
                                                          gtk3 was
                                                          developed to
                                                          be totally
                                                          incompatible
                                                          with gtk. For
                                                          example,
                                                          incorporation
                                                          of one gtk3
                                                          feature
                                                          requires that
                                                          all direct and
                                                          indirect
                                                          references to
                                                          gtk be removed
                                                          or the
                                                          activity will
                                                          throw an
                                                          exception.
                                                          Several of the
                                                          gtk3
                                                          conversions
                                                          failed to meet
                                                          this test and
                                                          so fail. The
                                                          issue is
                                                          whether
                                                          curated
                                                          activities be
                                                          limited to
                                                          ones converted
                                                          to gtk3. The
                                                          positive is
                                                          that Sugar
                                                          could revert
                                                          to releasing
                                                          and
                                                          maintaining
                                                          only a single
                                                          version. The
                                                          downside is
                                                          that 100 or
                                                          more
                                                          activities
                                                          will no longer
                                                          be available.
                                                          Specifically,
                                                          in our
                                                          implementation
                                                          of ASLO, we
                                                          need to show
                                                          which versions
                                                          of an activity
                                                          work on which
                                                          versions of
                                                          Sugar (e.g.
                                                          i86, arm,
                                                          amd64, sugar
                                                          or sugar3, and
                                                          so on). We
                                                          also need to
                                                          show which
                                                          ones support
                                                          localization.
                                                          There are many
                                                          English
                                                          activities and
                                                          many Spanish
                                                          activities
                                                          that make no
                                                          provision for
                                                          localization.
                                                          Luckily there
                                                          are many that
                                                          have no
                                                          language
                                                          component.
                                                          However, for
                                                          many of these,
                                                          some kind of
                                                          help is needed
                                                          to convey the
                                                          way the
                                                          activity
                                                          works. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          You are wading
                                                          into a deep
                                                          and vast body
                                                          of water!<span class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275m_-7011079753232270224m_5089198513458135942HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Tony</font></span>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          04/10/2017
                                                          12:00 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi,

                                                          <div>Sorry for
                                                          the delay. I
                                                          went through
                                                          the polls
                                                          tutorials and
                                                          I think I am
                                                          getting hang
                                                          of Django. I
                                                          have one query
                                                          that is out of
                                                          context, what
                                                          is your IRC
                                                          setup ? IRC
                                                          doesn't allow
                                                          message to be
                                                          delivered or
                                                          stored once
                                                          either party
                                                          is offline,
                                                          people login
                                                          through a
                                                          external
                                                          server for
                                                          IRC's to
                                                          maintain their
                                                          availability
                                                          in a channel.
                                                          May I suggest
                                                          something like
                                                          Slack or Flock
                                                          for
                                                          communication.
                                                          IRC is good
                                                          for quick and
                                                          fast
                                                          connection but
                                                          Slack and
                                                          alternatives
                                                          allow easy
                                                          communication.
                                                          (Just a
                                                          suggestion,
                                                          though)</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Should I
                                                           deploy the
                                                          same polls app
                                                          on
                                                          DigitalOcean
                                                          along with CI
                                                          pipeline and
                                                          branching
                                                          model in the
                                                          meantime with
                                                          code hosted on
                                                          Github ?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Sat, Apr 8,
                                                          2017 at 6:28
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I abbreviated
                                                          this thread
                                                          because I am
                                                          getting
                                                          complaints
                                                          from the list
                                                          that the
                                                          emails are too
                                                          long.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Yesterday, I
                                                          was able to
                                                          complete a set
                                                          of 25
                                                          activities to
                                                          use as a test
                                                          base. The
                                                          Django app now
                                                          has two views.
                                                          First is a
                                                          display of all
                                                          of the <br>
                                                          activities
                                                          with the icon
                                                          and name. A
                                                          link for each
                                                          opens the full
                                                          activity page.
                                                          The data for
                                                          the views is
                                                          in a file
                                                          which is a
                                                          list of jsons,
                                                          one json per
                                                          line. <br>
                                                          The  views.py
                                                          reads this
                                                          file and
                                                          builds the
                                                          view from the
                                                          jsons. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So the app
                                                          consists of:<br>
                                                              urls.py<br>
                                                              views.py<br>
                                                              templates/<br>
                                                                 
                                                          base.html<br>
                                                                 
                                                          list.html<br>
                                                                 
                                                          activity.html<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          with the data:<br>
                                                                 
                                                          fixtures/activities.json
                                                          <br>
                                                                  icons/<br>
                                                                  xo/<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The icons
                                                          directory has
                                                          the activity
                                                          icons (*.svg)<br>
                                                          The xo
                                                          directory has
                                                          the activity
                                                          bundles (*.xo)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Meanwhile, I
                                                          am having more
                                                          troubles with
                                                          the ISP (a new
                                                          one). When
                                                          that gets
                                                          resolved, I
                                                          should be able
                                                          to send the
                                                          above to you.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have also
                                                          mentioned our
                                                          dialog to
                                                          Walter Bender
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that you could
                                                          set up your
                                                          working model
                                                          as <a href="http://activities3.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">activities3.sugarlabs.org</a>.
                                                          This would
                                                          give you a
                                                          permanent
                                                          place to do
                                                          the
                                                          development
                                                          and make your
                                                          project
                                                          visible to the
                                                          community so
                                                          that we can
                                                          obtain
                                                          feedback. I
                                                          aslo suggested
                                                          that the
                                                          project
                                                          repository
                                                          could be
                                                          placed on
                                                          GitHub so that
                                                          again the
                                                          community can
                                                          comment and
                                                          potentially
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                                                          Tony</font></span><span><br>
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                                                          04/07/2017
                                                          12:23 AM,
                                                          Jatin Dhankhar
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi,


                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am
                                                          setting up
                                                          Django now and
                                                          going through
                                                          some
                                                          tutorials. I
                                                          will setup the
                                                          code with a
                                                          very basic and
                                                          barebones
                                                          version of
                                                          what we want
                                                          to achieve and
                                                          put it in a
                                                          private repo.
                                                          We can even
                                                          host it
                                                          online, since
                                                          I have some
                                                          DigitalOcean
                                                          credit left.
                                                          Will keep you
                                                          posted. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks.</div>
                                                          <div>Jatin
                                                          Dhankhar</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Thu, Apr 6,
                                                          2017 at 7:11
                                                          AM, Tony
                                                          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Jatin<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In setting up
                                                          Django, I
                                                          think you will
                                                          do it on your
                                                          computer not
                                                          on a separate
                                                          server. Django
                                                          handles that
                                                          through its
                                                          own server and
                                                          has sgqlite as
                                                          a database
                                                          built-in. A
                                                          good first
                                                          start would be
                                                          to set up the
                                                          tutorial app (<a class="m_1479173004874202416m_-3495548269090561659m_6996674201037445275moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.djangoproject.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_1479173004874202416moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.djangoproject.com" target="_blank">https://www.djangoproject.com</a><wbr>/).






                                                          Essentially
                                                          you will need
                                                          to install
                                                          django and
                                                          then set up
                                                          the tutorial
                                                          app 'poll'.
                                                          Working
                                                          through this
                                                          tutorial will
                                                          help a lot
                                                          later on. The
                                                          key point is
                                                          that after
                                                          initial setup,
                                                          there are
                                                          three
                                                          important
                                                          elements:
                                                          url.py which
                                                          defines the
                                                          urls to access
                                                          the
                                                          application,
                                                          views.py which
                                                          is the python
                                                          code that
                                                          responds to a
                                                          request by
                                                          accessing the
                                                          db and
                                                          delivering the
                                                          relevant
                                                          information to
                                                          a template.
                                                          The template
                                                          is an html
                                                          file with
                                                          variables of
                                                          the form {{ <a href="http://activity.name" target="_blank">activity.name</a>
                                                          }}
                                                          transferring
                                                          information
                                                          from the view
                                                          to the
                                                          template.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          What I have is
                                                          an
                                                          application:
                                                          aslo. Once you
                                                          have Django
                                                          installed and
                                                          have run the
                                                          tutorial app
                                                          through
                                                          Django's
                                                          server, you'll
                                                          be ready.
                                                          Essentially,
                                                          you will only
                                                          need to add
                                                          aslo as a
                                                          second app in
                                                          the settings.
                                                          One possible
                                                          confusion is
                                                          that DJango
                                                          lives in a
                                                          project -
                                                          essentially a
                                                          directory
                                                          containing its
                                                          manage.py
                                                          admin
                                                          interface. In
                                                          the directory
                                                          is another
                                                          directory of
                                                          the same name
                                                          with the
                                                          settings.py
                                                          and url.py.
                                                          The poll app
                                                          is a directory
                                                          in the
                                                          top-level
                                                          alongside the
                                                          inner
                                                          directory with
                                                          the project
                                                          name.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For example,
                                                          my project is
                                                          schoolsite. So
                                                          my setup looks
                                                          like:<br>
                                                          <br>
/library/schoolsite/schoolsite<br>
/library/schoolsite/aslo<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Meanwhile my
                                                          code links
                                                          directly to an
                                                          activity page
                                                          with no index.
                                                          I'll add an
                                                          index so the
                                                          essential
                                                          structure will
                                                          be there. I'll
                                                          also include
                                                          the 'fixtures'
                                                          to set up a 25
                                                          activity
                                                          capability.
                                                          Fixtures are
                                                          csv files from
                                                          which the
                                                          database
                                                          (metadata) can
                                                          be loaded. <br>
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                                                          Tony</font></span></div>
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