[ASLO] SpaceWar and Tank Operation

[Sebastian Silva]

Agreed to disagree,
In my understanding, as long as it's Free Software and not illegal for 
some reason, Sugar Labs ought to be able host it, almost as a matter of 
Free Speech except when/if it could harm our users/developers.

This is very much in line with a recent controversy over at Debian 
regarding the packaging of some visual novel games with inappropriate 
content.

See "FTPMaster position statement about package contents"
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/03/msg00011.html
But that is really different from these two cases, in that it involves 
explicit (cartoon) youth pornography. 

Otherwise, we should really avoid the "Save the children, censor 
videogames" crowd. Madness lies here.

Also, one of them was over 80 days in the queue, the other 20, so 
modifications were not forthcoming and it's a shame to withold fun 
software from kids.

That said, if you had already an agreement with the respective activity 
authors to withold the software, then I was unknowingly out of line. 
Sorry.

Hopefully we can avoid ambiguity in these sort of issues in the future, 
as well as delays in publishing our software.

cc. Alan the other affected author.
Regards,
Sebastian

El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:52 AM, Walter Bender 
<walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió:
> I guess we agree to disagree. But if moderation is not to moderate
> content, where/who does that moderation?
> 
> Supporting non-Sugar apps is a plus, but it is orthogonal to the issue
> at hand, which is what activities are officially endorsed by Sugar
> Labs.
> 
> regards.
> 
> -walter
> 
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Sebastian Silva
> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>  Tanks are an unfortunate reality in all of our lives. Sprites are 
>> less of a
>>  problem, really.
>> 
>>  I disagree moderation should deal with stylistic issues, other than
>>  obviously offensive, violent, or sexually innapropriate content. And
>>  licenses.
>> 
>>  If not sugarized icons are a problem, then we loose about half the
>>  activities in ASLO.
>>  BTW I think we're supporting non-sugarized icons for next release 
>> ;-)
>> 
>>  Regards,
>>  Sebastian
>> 
>>  El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:40 AM, Walter Bender
>>  <walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió:
>> 
>>  The link you provide refers to violence as a reason to remove an 
>> activity.
>>  As we discussed when looking at the original request, tanks are an
>>  unfortunate reality in the lives of some of our users. Lionel in 
>> fact put
>>  out a call for help updating the artwork to use a different 
>> metaphor. The
>>  link also states that the icons should be sugarized. Moderation is 
>> in regard
>>  to all aspects of the activity, not just in regard to spam. 
>> regards. -walter
>>  On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Sebastian Silva 
>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi, I don't remember reading about those decisions. I am unaware of 
>> changes
>>  in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy 
>> Currently it
>>  says nothing about censorship by name or sprite warfare. Please 
>> update. I
>>  would think moderation in ASLO would be to prevent spam, not to 
>> curate
>>  artwork. Regards, Sebastian El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:23 AM, 
>> Walter
>>  Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió: I have an issue with 
>> the release
>>  of both of these activities: * While one could argue that SpaceWars 
>> is
>>  pretty abstract, the name could be changed. And the icon is not 
>> "sugarized".
>>  * Tank Operations, as has already been discussed, uses a metaphor 
>> that is
>>  not appropriate for our audience. We had agreed to change artwork 
>> before
>>  releasing this activity. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar 
>> Labs
>>  http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>  --
>>  Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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