[ASLO] SpaceWar and Tank Operation

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Sebastian Silva
<sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
> Agreed to disagree,
> In my understanding, as long as it's Free Software and not illegal for some
> reason, Sugar Labs ought to be able host it, almost as a matter of Free
> Speech except when/if it could harm our users/developers.

Sugar is not Debian. It is not catering to a general crowd. Our users
are children. We need to draw a line in the sand somewhere and our
policy was an attempt at that. What is open to debate is the policy
itself. If it is considered too restrictive (or unclear), then we
should discuss it.

>
> This is very much in line with a recent controversy over at Debian regarding
> the packaging of some visual novel games with inappropriate content.
>
> See "FTPMaster position statement about package contents"
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/03/msg00011.html
> But that is really different from these two cases, in that it involves
> explicit (cartoon) youth pornography.
>
> Otherwise, we should really avoid the "Save the children, censor videogames"
> crowd. Madness lies here.
>
> Also, one of them was over 80 days in the queue, the other 20, so
> modifications were not forthcoming and it's a shame to withold fun software
> from kids.

We have added more moderates over the past few months. I think we are
getting better about the queue. I was unaware that there was things in
there that had not been discussed with the maintainers.

>
> That said, if you had already an agreement with the respective activity
> authors to withold the software, then I was unknowingly out of line. Sorry.
>
> Hopefully we can avoid ambiguity in these sort of issues in the future, as
> well as delays in publishing our software.
>
> cc. Alan the other affected author.

I'll work with Alan on this.

-walter
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:52 AM, Walter Bender
> <walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió:
>
> I guess we agree to disagree. But if moderation is not to moderate content,
> where/who does that moderation? Supporting non-Sugar apps is a plus, but it
> is orthogonal to the issue at hand, which is what activities are officially
> endorsed by Sugar Labs. regards. -walter On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:48 AM,
> Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
> Tanks are an unfortunate reality in all of our lives. Sprites are less of a
> problem, really. I disagree moderation should deal with stylistic issues,
> other than obviously offensive, violent, or sexually innapropriate content.
> And licenses. If not sugarized icons are a problem, then we loose about half
> the activities in ASLO. BTW I think we're supporting non-sugarized icons for
> next release ;-) Regards, Sebastian El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:40 AM,
> Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió: The link you provide
> refers to violence as a reason to remove an activity. As we discussed when
> looking at the original request, tanks are an unfortunate reality in the
> lives of some of our users. Lionel in fact put out a call for help updating
> the artwork to use a different metaphor. The link also states that the icons
> should be sugarized. Moderation is in regard to all aspects of the activity,
> not just in regard to spam. regards. -walter On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:30
> AM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote: Hi, I don't remember
> reading about those decisions. I am unaware of changes in
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy Currently it
> says nothing about censorship by name or sprite warfare. Please update. I
> would think moderation in ASLO would be to prevent spam, not to curate
> artwork. Regards, Sebastian El lun, 31 de mar 2014 a las 7:23 AM, Walter
> Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com> escribió: I have an issue with the release
> of both of these activities: * While one could argue that SpaceWars is
> pretty abstract, the name could be changed. And the icon is not "sugarized".
> * Tank Operations, as has already been discussed, uses a metaphor that is
> not appropriate for our audience. We had agreed to change artwork before
> releasing this activity. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs
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