[ASLO] [REQUEST] Tank Operation-1
walter.bender at gmail.com
Mon Mar 10 11:37:29 EDT 2014
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel at olpc-france.org> wrote:
> Hmmm. So it look like more to a non-written rule, there is nothing very
> clear regarding "violence" on your links. Let's say that my activity is
> probably a good opportunity to think about this policy.
> However to be honest it's difficult for me to consider that my activity is
I agree that "Inappropriate (violent, sexual, subversive) content" is
not very clear. Alas, it is difficult to define these terms. The old
saw, "I know it when I see it"  applies to violence as well. Maybe
you can help us with a definition.
> Plus it's very frustrating to me to imagine that the activity is not
> compliant to the Sugar Store policy - and believe me I'm familiar with
> frustration coming from store policies on other platforms (iOS, Microsoft,
iOS, Microsoft, and Google cater to a different, less vulerable
audience than we do.
> Could you be explicit about what it means now:
> - The activity should be removed from the Sugar Store,
> - The activity could stay in the Sugar but should stay in Sandbox,
> - The activity could stay on the Sugar Store with a sort of "Parental
The activity is not "public" until it is released, so leaving it in
the Sandbox until it is modified seems OK. But if the author declares
that he/she will not make the required changes, then we should remove
We have no mechanism for enforcing "Parental Advisories" so I think it
is not a workable solution.
> - ...
> Regarding Tuxmath, it's the children favorite activity in our deployment in
> France and in Madagascar. More: today Tuxmath is the most recommended/used
> activity by teachers in our deployment in France.
I realize this. But that doesn't make the "shooting of aliens"
appropriate. One can rationalize that aliens are outside of anyone's
experience. Tanks are not. I feel comfortable drawing the line there.
> So "violence" is probably very dependent of context/people and more an
> opinion or a judgement than an universal policy.
Of course context matters. But on the global server, we need to
consider a global audience. There are children in some of our
deployments where tanks have been a reality. Gamifying that is not OK
There is nothing to prevent hosting on local servers.
> 2014-03-10 15:23 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:
>> Our policy is documented here ; but from ASLO we have links to 
>> and , which are not the same and do not mention violence as a
>> Regarding your comment about Tuxmath, I am not thrilled by it. But it
>> is in high demand by teachers. It has been on my to-do list to replace
>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy
>>  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/docs/policies/reviews
>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel at olpc-france.org>
>> > Oooch, what a bad news! I wrote Sugar activities from years and didn't
>> > suspect there was some restrictions. Is there a place where these
>> > conditions
>> > are described?
>> > BTW let me play advocate for this game:
>> > - The game is a web port of the Tuxmath activity that is already in the
>> > Sugar Store . The difference is that Tuxmath use space invaders theme
>> > instead of military. Killing Alien is better ?
>> > - The naive design of units is inspired by the Gameboy game Advance War
>> > 
>> > that is really a game for children
>> > - I'm not a designer, I choose this theme because I've found some nice
>> > free
>> > arts on this here . I've not at all knowledge or budget to redesign
>> > the
>> > content.
>> > Best regards from France.
>> > Lionel.
>> >  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en/sugar/addon/4271
>> >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Wars
>> >  http://www.vickiwenderlich.com/2012/03/free-game-art-tank-wars/
>> > 2014-03-09 23:28 GMT+01:00 Sugar Labs Activities
>> > <activities at sugarlabs.org>:
>> >> A Sugar Labs Activities Editor requested further information from you
>> >> regarding version 1 of your activity Tank Operation.
>> >> Walter Bender wrote:
>> >> "We don't accept activities with militaristic themes regardless of
>> >> their
>> >> relevance to mathematics. Could you refactor the game to use a metaphor
>> >> other than tanks? Thx"
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